Dead Men Don’t Start Revolutions

The good news is, two cops are dead. The bad news is, the two shooters, and what appears to be an innocent bystander are dead too. Officer Alyn Beck, 42, and Officer Igor Soldo, 32, of the Las Vegas Metro Police were gunned down inside Cici’s Pizza while eating lunch. The shooters, one male, one female, whose names have not to my knowledge been released – reportedly shouted “This is the start of a revolution” before opening fire.

My sympathies go out to the owners, employees, and innocent patrons of the Cici’s Pizza, and the innocent bystander who was shot. That’s about where my sympathies for this particular incident end.

People say the officers were “simply eating lunch” and so this was a clear cut case of murder. I could not disagree more. Those officers were merely taking a short break from the aggressions all police commit day in, and day out. Immediately after they got done with their break, they would inevitably have returned to their regular duties of harassing and extorting motorists, kidnapping people for possessing plants. They paid for their food, with money that was taken from people under the threats of violence that are taxation, and fines. While it’s a lot easier to draw the connection in something like the Justin Bourque incident, the fact remains that all police are aggressors. There is no such thing as a good cop.

It is by definition, impossible to murder an aggressor. It is an act of defensive, retaliatory, or preventive force, not aggression, to do violence to people who have no doubt harmed peaceful people, and will no doubt continue to peaceful harm people. Every free man, woman, and child has every moral and ethical right to use violence to put a stop to such threats, and the world is a better place without these two police officers victimizing the public.

Two Police Officers Dead In Failed Effort at Revolution

Two Police Officers Dead In Failed Effort at Revolution

What nobody has a right to do, is shoot up a pizzeria, a Walmart, and random innocent people on the streets. If this man and woman thought they were doing something to further the cause of liberty, they have not only failed to do so, they have completely missed the point. Worse than that, now they are dead. So they will never know the joy of understanding liberty, and they will never be able to do anything to further it.

I respect the choices people like Justin Bourque and Paul Ciancia have made. They identified their aggressors, and took action to stop them from aggressing. They didn’t kill the innocent. They made some effort to educate themselves as to what was wrong with the world, and they effectively traded their lives for their chance to strike a blow against it.

Unfortunately, neither Bourque, nor Ciancia, nor the man and woman from the shooting in Vegas today did anything to further the cause of liberty. Contrary to the shouts of today’s shooters, this will not be the start of a revolution. If you want to start a revolution, the first thing you need to do, is breath.

If you’re a regular reader of this blog, you know that I believe violence will be necessary to bring an end to the State. You know that the violence done by the State, is a far greater crime than any violence a free people could ever hope to do against its agents. You also know that I’m not dead or hiding from murder charges.

People always ask me “Why don’t you start shooting then?” and no matter how many times I answer, they still think this is some breaker of arguments. The answer is simple, because I can’t do anything for liberty if I’m dead or in prison. I will tell you plainly that I was very close to becoming Paul Ciancia or Justin Bourque. After a lifetime of being bullied by the State, dealing with CPS through my teens, tens of thousands of dollars in fines, months in jails, countless amounts of time spent in court rooms, the State has ended life as I knew it for me more than once. There have been multiple times when I just decided it wasn’t worth living anymore. That I should just go out blasting and take as many of them with me as possible. That I would trade my life in for a chance to put a dent in this system that had destroyed me.

For the sake of us all, I’m so glad that I did not take that route. I can honestly tell you that I more ready to die for this cause today than I was at any of those points, and yet I still live. I connected with other people who had the same concerns as me. We organized, we are building communities. We are spreading the message. We are enlightening others. In this cause, I have not only found something worth dying for, I found something worth living for. You can find this too. In the last 30 days I’ve reached something to the tune of 300,000 people with this website. In the last week I’ve reached upwards of 1.4 million on Facebook. If it comes down to me losing my life, I will leave behind a clear and concise record of what it is that I fought for. A large, and growing community of people will know that I was not some lone nutcase, but a passionate, intelligent, articulate person who gave his life for a cause.

While force will ultimately have to be met with force, throwing oneself onto the pile of bodies prematurely does absolutely nothing positive for the cause of liberty. When you get yourself killed or captured, you remove from this world a person who was willing to die for their beliefs. You deny mankind the benefit of hearing you speak without fear. If you feel as I do, that life without liberty is not worth living, if you are ready to kill and die for freedom, then what we need you to do is say so. We need you to write, and make videos, and join a community of people who feel that way too. Raise children. Arm yourself, train, prepare. Produce, work, acquire capital. Understand the problem, see the solution, explain it to other people. That’s how you spark a revolution.

When you terrorize and murder innocent people, when you blow your own brains out, get killed by the enemy, or spend the rest of your life in a cage, all of these things become impossible. Believe me when I tell you, I get it, I really, really do, more than I could possibly articulate here. It just seems like too much to tolerate. You want it to end in any way possible, and getting yourself killed or ending your own life get to looking like far better options than continuing under the boot of the State.

But that’s not how you start a revolution, this is.

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  • Carlos Blanco

    i have a problem with something you said in this article… you state that all cps are bad.. that there are no good cops. I completely disagree. Yes i do know that there are cops out there that only want to harass and intimidate you so they can take anything they want from you or just so they can make quotas. But those are very few. Most cops are good and try to make sure that all of our civil liberties are held. Just because a few have done wrong it doesnt mean that you have to Demonize the enitre force. You want to know whats wrong with this country. Its not the cops, its not the government. Its people like you that with everything that is going on you only use your freedom of speech to talk down to the very people that allow you to have this freedom. what you dont know is that the media has a great influence in what Americans see and feel., and instead of trying to deflate the situation and point out all the good things that our government and police force has done all yall seem to do is make them seem evil. you call for a revolution but seriously it will never happen. And people like you should be arrested on sight.

    • David Phillips

      Police are inherently corrupt. That is his point. By definition, they cannot be good.

      • cng

        Police who are run by and taught by the government. This is akin to saying all vets and any american who has served their country, by serving the beast, is inherently corrupt and cannot be good. Also, when you talk about police, I’m assuming you draw the line in your generalizations at the american municipal, state, and federal police that you seem so keenly aware of.

        • David Phillips

          The military is corrupt as well. They sucker naive people to go and kill.

          • magormissabib

            agreed, NO good man would join any police force, military branch or get involved in the government of a wicked nation like this.

          • matthew Foley

            I know plenty of good men that fought and died in the military for our country. I can agree on the police, but while not all our troops deserve respect, many of them are extremely good and intelligent people.

          • Wrath Child

            People like you is what’s wrong with America

          • SinStar

            David is right, your just to chicken shit to admit it too. The military, police, and the drug wars have killed more innocent people than anything I can imagine.

          • David Phillips

            Keep waving your flag, chump.

          • Michael Blake

            people like you is the reason why in this fucking mess.

          • Wrath Child

            Go back to grammar school and try typing that sentence again

          • Spencer

            Go from talking all big and then you get told and put in your true spot and you bring up grammar… Yeah sounds like a desperate plea to stay in a conversation you just got proved wrong.

          • Wrath Child

            How did he prove me wrong? lol

          • Spencer

            Well if he hadnt then you wouldnt have gotten defensive about grammar. You would have responded with a legitimate argument. Yet you didnt… cause you didnt have one.

          • Wrath Child

            I just assume people with no grammar skills aren’t going to give me an intellectual debate.

          • Spencer

            No, you just had no response cause your wrong. Just cause someone cant type in perfect grammatical sequence doesnt mean you should look down on them. why is our country in the shape it is? Because people like you look down on the majority of the people and assume we cant do or accomplish anything with our lives based on one or two things you “Assume” you know about us. You will fall along with the so called “Government” we have.

          • Wrath Child

            Did you have a rough shift at McDonald’s tonight??? And for the record he really didn’t have a point, it was more so a statement that was childish in nature to begin with as he was essentially just repeating my line I had already made…which was an effective debate tactic in grade 3

          • KAi BhavinPatel

            Go teach your grammar in a public school where it’s need more. They can’t teach reasoning anyway so it’d be a perfect setting for you Wrath Child.

          • no

            military and police are misled by a corrupt system. they are used to protect the interests of others and often those interests are not pure. killing someone who is misled will never change anything it will only strengthen animosities, mislead further, and bring more good people to their cause. if you really want to fix the problem of police and military abusing common people it will take much more than just killing people. you need to change the system itself and the interests they are protecting. This will take much more time and dedication than simply killing people. don’t incite violence and die as a fool helping strengthen their cause. if you truly care about fixing the problem commit your time towards WORKING for a better system.

          • Wrath Child

            Finally a voice of reason

          • matthew Foley

            so basically the let them eat cake principle of dealing with it? that worked out so well for marie antoinette

          • matthew Foley

            by the way no one is that misled, thats like the fools that say that satan made them do shit, or mel gibson blaming the alcohol, no they just have a mental illness that needs to be readjusted, be nice if we could cure them of their sociopathic tendacies, I would love to think that peaceful means could solve the problem, as violence should be a last resort, the problem is, they have too much control and power to make peaceful resistance possible at this point. people try it, and they die doing so. it is like trying to win a fight with a jihadist, they are prepared to kill you, if all else fails you should be prepared to do the same, again if all else fails.

          • matthew Foley

            even if I had disagreed with him I would not have debated back either, that was just horrid writing man.
            sometimes hoss a cigar is just a cigar

          • matthew Foley

            while I have disagreed with you on this page many times, here I agree with you. taking it past abusive police who beat and abuse unarmed civilians to honorable and decent men and women that fight against armed enemies that would kill them in return is too damn far.
            Spencer, while I disagree here with Wrath Child, they have kept their argument extremely well spoken, polite, and decent. the boy wrote like a damn 4 year old with a broken crayon, it does not serve us anything to encourage ignorance backing us up, rather encourage him to research and properly form his opinion so that maybe he can look as intelligent as his argument.

    • kindbuddy

      A basic disconnect here. No one allows the individual freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is a birthright. When someone like you suggests arresting a person for expressing it, you suggest tyranny.

      • magormissabib

        our natural unalienable rights are now thought to be a dispensation of government

        ronald reagan

    • Nick P

      I think where you’re confused is where you say “talk down the very people who allow you to have this freedom” I don’t know about anyone else, but no one “allows” me to have MY freedoms. My freedoms are God given and self evident. People are conditioned to believe that the government gives people their rights, when in reality it’s the complete opposite. The only thing the government has done since it’s creation is to make laws that limit and suppress our liberties. And last time I checked, arresting people on sight for speaking their opinion (pretty sure that’s protected by this thing called the First Amendment), as you say should be done, is called kidnapping.

    • woodguy11

      All police in the cities are becoming militarized for one reason and one reason only……..

      • Wrath Child

        Cause there are blogs like this and people like you that want to murder all cops and their families??? Seems like a good reason to become militarized.

        • SinStar

          Or, a good start. Pigs should be scared — they earned it.

          • Wrath Child

            Let’s get rid of all police and all military. I’m sure the United States of America would last a few months before an utter and total collapse

          • David Phillips

            America will be fine. Israel on the other hand….

          • Wrath Child

            American will be fine??? Wow there’s some rose colored glasses. Even with our police state there are countless murders and other crimes…take away any sense of order and chaos ensues

          • David Phillips

            Most of the countless murders are casualties in the Government’s Drug War.

          • matthew Foley

            while I agree to a point, thats over stating it a bit. people would adapt to handling their own defense, in replace of the police.
            now on the military i agree with you thats just silly to suggest we bare our asses and hope places like Iran or Russia won’t fuck us. i would say China, but really a military can’t stop them, they dump their dollar reserves all at once and thats it for our economy not a shot fired and we can start learning mandarin.
            what I think the police solution should be is treat them as we do private security. I work private security at conventions, with drunks, drug users, and lots of klingon and impressive weapons. I am not allowed to put my hands on anyone, nor do I carry a gun. I have a radio and my intelligence to assess a situation. in 4 years I have never had a need for more, and no matter how bad or dangerous it gets, i have never had a situation that resulted in anyone getting seriously injured ( there was a guy got drunk and grabbed a lot of girls asses, but besides that limited sexual assault no major harm.)
            take their guns away. take the tazers and all those weapons away. leave them a radio and their intelligence, they will either adapt to learn how to handle situations with compassion and restraint, or we will see them fall of their own failure and replace them with successful ones.

          • Wrath Child

            My dad was a cop and he said he thought Tazers were a great idea, as they would provide a less-lethal alternative for using a firearm, meaning fewer reasons to draw your weapon. However at the same time he said he saw the danger, cops got lazy. Instead of de-escalating a situation, or in other situations using a dog-pile (something that when done properly is designed to keep the officers and suspects safe…he also said when HE was trained he was told to only use that tactic when the suspect initiated violence). Now he says the first sign of a suspect being uncooperative the cops tazer him…which is never what it was intended for. It was intended (originally) to give officers a way of subduing suspects armed with knives, etc. lethal weapons that weren’t firearms, without having to resort to shooting them.

            However this may be different in the US, as I’m from Canada and our issue is the opposite. There have been cases where suspects accuse the officers of police brutality because their cuffs were on too tight, and because of that, the guy said his case of beating his wife should be thrown out. That’s the kind of BS we have to put up with North of the border

          • matthew Foley

            Isreal what? go ahead and finish that one.
            a nation with much better pilots then ours ( it is actually a place we can no longer do war games because our pilots are ” sour losers” and were making racial slurs and instigating fights when they would consistantly lose in the exact same jets)
            a nation that when the rest of us played tip toe through the tulips with iraq sent in jets and blew up all the nuclear reactors there, probably the only reason iraq had no WMD’s once Dubya went in
            a nation that has fought a war with 5 enemies on all sides at once and handled their business?
            a nation that has successful handled its problems, even with hatred sent its way since its inception against continual invading forces?
            a nation that will be doing the same thing to Iran it did to Iraq while we play tip toe through the tulips again, and again after saving all our asses from a crazy fool getting a nuke, will be called criminal for it?

            that is the nation you were about to belittle so please finish ….im all ears

          • SinStar

            I say we cut back on military, hold cops accountable, get rid of the police unions and internal affairs. Most cops are not needed due to the fact the majority of them are revenue generators for victimless crimes.

        • matthew Foley

          so your argument is this, correct me if im wrong.
          they instigate fear, anger, and hatred….and then when they get it from scared and desperate people, they are justifed in ramping up the intimidation and abuse they started it with.
          that is like blaming a rape victim for the rape. had he not felt she wanted it he wouldn’t have taken it.

    • matthew Foley

      Most cops are corrupt, and those that are not aren’t out there upholding their oath by arresting the dirty ones or worse they cover it up…and that makes them dirty.

    • magormissabib

      when you are silent about crimes you are an accomplice.

    • David

      What do you mean Chris should be arrested on sight? Are you nuts?

      I don’t completely agree with the original article. I can see a violent response when being confronted directly with violence, say, if a cop breaks into your house and tries to arrest you, or worse, kill you, without cause, than I can see using violence in response. But if a cop is eating lunch, it seems like a far better response is to have a conversation and explain what they are doing wrong. I’m guessing some have never even really thought about it. Most will not listen but then you are taking their excuses away. I also can’t even gloat over somebody’s death. If, and this is likely the case, these police genuinely fell for the lie that they were somehow “protecting society” or so forth, than its just a sad story all the way around. I’m not happy that they are dead. But I won’t pretend like they were “good cops” or that 95% of what they were doing was useful either. Almost all, if not all, cops are immoral because they are required to enforce unjust laws as part of their careers, even if they don’t realize how wrong it is. And ultimately, that’s Cantwell’s point. They live off of violence, so they shouldn’t be surprised when it comes around, even if I would not justify it.

    • Phillip Trahan

      my rights are god given and no government can give them to me or take them away and for the 33 years ive lived in texas and dealt with many cops i have only found one to be a good person i dont know how it is in other states but in texas when some young punk gets a badge and a gun it makes them think they are god and they are invincible, sorry beatniks that were bullied in school now get to take out their frustrations on adults cause they can carry a gun woo hooo ill tell you this it may not be tomorrow it may not be next week but i can garrote there will be an uprising and if you are a good cop you will do the smart thing and lay down your badge and march with your fellow Americans and drag the dunk politics out of office and lock them up!!!

      • Phillip Trahan

        one day when i was collecting scrap metal to make money, and i was down a dead end road in my home town i was looking through the junk people dumped there cop cars came racing down the road as i was walking to my truck that had allot of scrap metal in the bed and when the cop saw me he wiped around and turned his lights on like he was pulling me over so i sat there when he approached my window he said what are u doing down here i replied with i am looking for scrap metal sir, and he said yea right your dumping stuff back here i saw you, but i had nothing in my hand as i tried to explain to him i was doing my job he said he do-sent believe me and said i need u to step out of the truck and so i tried to ask him why and the same time i was trying to call my dad on my cell phone to tell him a cop is harassing me he said get out of the vehicle NOW!! i did’nt react as fast as he wanted so he yanked my door open and grabbed me and pulled me out witch caused me to fumble my phone so i tried to grab my phone with my free arm to keep it from hitting the ground, but he grabbed me by my throat and choked me across the roof of my truck and claimed i was trying to grab his wrist or hand and he would even let me finish telling him i was just trying to catch my phone now i am a big guy at 6’2″ and 230lbs this sheriff was 6’4″ and 300lbs and yes he hurt me i couldn’t breath let alone talk when he was choking me. so as mark and i stood at the back of the truck he striped my truck apart for an hour and told me to get out of there and if he sees me again he will make up something to put me in jail for. i went home and told the story my parents, who were so pissed my mom made me ride with her to find the cop, we found him and took down his license plate number and she called the office he works out of and the chief lied and said he dident have that sheriff there but what had happened is that cop realized he fuck up when he saw us recording his vehicle so he called his boss before us so he could cover his trax and if u tell me there are good cops then tell me why are they letting their fellow officers commit crimes?

        • matthew Foley

          Hoss I am so sorry to hear shit like this. My dad quit in the 70s out of Robert E Lee. For just this reason. He found it impossible to do what he swore to do when the perps were wearing the same badge he was.
          Our state is also the proud state of prisons that are specifically built to house people only guilty of being homosexual… Well gay. I haven’t heard that we lock up girls loving girls. Nothing should be more disgusting than knowing these punks are paid to arrest, abuse, and lock up citizens for nothing more than loving someone they disagree with them being allowed to love. A friend of mine who was the best lineman I ever saw when I was in high school with him did 3 years in prison for being gay. He lives in Oregon now because as much as he loves our home state, he can’t get over the abuse he faced , and the victimization he received in prison where gay becomes equal to consent.

  • J. J. M. Sinclair

    I can’t believe any of this content that is posted in this website. Holy shit, this is a guy cheering for dead cops, TSA agents. Not everyone is bad. That’s like saying if a surgeon fucked up on accident, all surgeons are bad, and they should be seen as such.

    • StillCantBanMe

      ssssshhhhhhh. post more tits.

      • Steven Clarke

        ^I second that motion!

      • matthew Foley

        Third that!! Motion passes now show them titties!!!

        • no

          they kind on ignorant cunts^ i would expect on a site that advocates murder. real change comes from education and dedication not murder and playing the victim card.

    • Afear Thenrut

      Surgeon’s work is voluntary. Do you pull into the police station to report your “crimes”?

    • Matt Roach

      Surgeons don’t get (tax funded) paid vacations and (tax funded) full pensions for beating the mentally ill to death in the streets.

    • David Knapp

      The point he’s making is the cops dont throw out there bad co-workers. There fore they become part of the problem through there silence. All men make choices they have chosen to enforce a mild tyranny making them agents of evil. Wether there nice guys or not.

    • Nick P

      Surgeons don’t kidnap and hold guns to people and demand their hard earned money.

    • matthew Foley

      Surgeons are not paid to abuse and intimidate human beings, that is a cops job. It takes a particular kind of human to be a cop, with a special form of mental illness. We shouldn’t have to suffer because they are sick.if they refuse to get help, we should rise up and demand it with force.

      • SinStar

        your right. It does take a certain person to become a cop — they are called sociopaths.

        • matthew Foley

          Exactly

    • matthew Foley

      Oh and I agree less talkie talkie more post titties

  • anonymous

    I’m gonna have to disagree that violence is necessary. The example I like to draw is that the civil rights movement in America did better without violence than without violence than with it.

    I dont think all cops are inherently evil, or that all authority is inherently evil. I disagree with the notion that cops deserve to die simply for being agents of the state. The ones who terrorize people, maybe, but not all of em.

    • bozzer 52

      Then you are a pussy!

    • Jason Burcham

      The civil rights movement wasn’t only Dr kings peaceful marches, there were others like Malcolm X and the black panthers that didn’t advocate violence, but advocated self defense which gave them a view of being violent (which they weren’t) and even with this there were times where they were attacked but no one knew about it because the cameras where destroyed by the police, so basically even if you want non violence, it’s not as likely you will get the same view from the police. Lastly I can understand your viewpoint that not all police are bad but we have this mentality that we are suppose to do what we are told, I hoped that people could see this after ww2 that we should question what we are being told and that we are not robots that have to be told what to do but it still happens where we have solders killing civilians and police brutally beating people and it’s always the same excuse it’s “because we where told to” or “it’s protocol”

    • Uncanny Valley

      This is also not true. You might have opened your newspaper most days during the civil rights era and read about demonstrations, peaceful resistance, and civil disobedience, but that shit didn’t move the dial.

      it was the threat of violence that wrought the change.

      No one ever got any rights because the people with the power said “hmm, he has a good point, why didn’t we think of that?”

      it’s because of actual violence or the looming threat of it that concessions are made.

      • David Phillips

        Correct.

  • Guest

    “People always ask me “Why don’t you start shooting then?” and no matter how many times I answer, they still think this is some breaker of arguments. The answer is simple, because I can’t do anything for liberty if I’m dead or in prison. ”

    So you’ve said you think violence is necessary to bring an end to the state. So at what point exactly do you intend to initiate violence? What a joke! You can’t do anything for liberty if you aren’t going to put your money where your mouth is, either. The simple truth of the matter is you are a pussy. Until you decide to actually take up arms against the state, please shut the fuck up.

    • David Phillips

      He does more for liberty than Statists like you. The pen is often mightier than the sword.

      • nameless

        Hey, David Phillips, who was the last cop you shot? Pussy!

        • David Phillips

          Why would I want to shoot anybody? I am not violent enough to be hired as a policeman.

          • nameless

            And you don’t have balls enough to fight back either.

          • David Phillips

            Why would I need to fight anyone? I live and let people live as they are. I’ve never had to fight anybody. It’s pro-violence people such as you who are worried about “fighting back”.

          • magormissabib

            lawless thugs who think vigilante justice is the right will get what they deserve.

          • matthew Foley

            Thomas Jefferson advocated for being the outlaw when the law does not benefit the people…our country is based and founded on violent viginante revolution… Are you saying that what we deserve is freedom and a new government

          • magormissabib

            The differnece is that today we have a bill of rights. So no! disobedience to the law is lawlessness.

          • matthew Foley

            And this is why we are called retards.
            Are you serious? You honestly think that the colonials did not have laws or governing under england ?
            There is nothing wrong with disobedience to the law when it is counterproductive to the well being of society.
            If we thought the way you do in this country, segregation would still exist, if not slavery. Jews , Mexicans, blacks , and the other ” minorities and degenerates” would be required under the laws we had for eugenics to be sterilized in about 20 states including California right now.
            Of course this is all moot, because if we thought like you back then, we would not be American, we would be British because we would have shut up and done as the law required.
            The only thing worse than evil people are those that sit on the bench when they know it is happening. I have never heard someone actually defend sitting on the bench before though, so Thats new.

          • matthew Foley

            BTW the other paper written with that bill of rights, you know the declareation of independence states it is not only our right but our responsibility to overthrow and remove a government that does not act for the people and replace it with one that does.

          • matthew Foley

            And it doesn’t say only if we do so nicely and in accordance with that governments laws.

          • magormissabib

            No the Declaration of independence does not tell you to shoot cops while having lunch.

          • matthew Foley

            Okay now that we are playing the literal words game, the bill of rights your using to defend your shit logic doesn’t say cops can throw flash bangs in baby cribs and kill family pets either. Or beat minorities to death.
            Thomas Jefferson not only said it was the responsibility of the society to violently rise up against oppressive regime, he suggested a “bloodletting ” every fourth generation to keep the government from getting too powerful.
            No the exact words ” kill police in a cicis pizza” are not there…but revolt through violence is absolutely there…not sure they cared exactly when where or how they took place

          • magormissabib

            the difference between the american revolution and what we are talking about here is that what these police are doing is technically illegal. In which case we have a peaceful remedy. to use lawyers, photography ,protests etc. I dont think this as a game either , I like a lot of people are trying to understand and proceed on the wisest course. inciting violence agaisnt a government that is just ready and waiting for you to do so is suicide.
            And besides that if you are so gung Ho about starting a war what are you waiting for. quit talking and lets see some action anyway.

          • nameless

            Do you agree with Christopher Cantwell or not? Why hasn’t he taken up arms against the state, yet? What is he waiting for?

          • nameless

            David Phillips, where did you go? Don’t run away, pussy.

          • matthew Foley

            says the coward who has nameless as a profile name, David has his right there with his voice, whats yours if you want to call grown men pussies?

      • nameless

        By the way, nothing Cantwell has done with the pen has advanced the cause of liberty. The only thing he does is tries to sound tough, but really he is just a pussy. He admits himself that violence is necessary to end the state, so until he takes up arms he is full of shit.

        • David Phillips

          How do you know? If he changed the mind of a single reader with his pen then I would argue that he has indeed advanced the cause of Liberty. Do you have proof that he has not influenced anyone who has read his blog?

        • David Phillips

          The whole “violence is necessary to end the State” looks to me that he is referring to a general uprising by the people. He may or may not be correct. Guys like you are issuing the straw dog with your demands that he himself take up arms.

        • Don Duncan

          Hitler never personally hurt a fly. Was he a pussy? Is talk without taking up arms “full of shit”? Is the sword mightier than the pen?

          nameless? No. Brainless.

      • Patrick Cosgrove

        And yet he endorses the cowardly slaying of three people just eating lunch.

        • matthew Foley

          the heroic ending of three bullies abusive tyranny you mean right?

      • Wrath Child

        Just saying when we get to a point in soceity where we openly celebrate or condone the murder of anyone….that should be a sign that we’ve lost our fucking minds as a soceity

        • state hater

          Shithead authority lovers like you openly celebrate when oinks murder people in their sleep, handcuffed people, people in jail cells, etc.

          Go fuck yourself, hypocrite.

      • Matt Jenkins

        He actually does nothing. Nothing whatsoever except sit at his computer and whack at his keyboard. Now STFU.

        • matthew Foley

          Exactly what you do. I may disagree with some arguments here, but at least they have the balls to have one and express it all you have done is insult and ridicule without so much as contributing one post of your own thoughts…you should shut the fuck up indeed.

  • Guest

    “People always ask me ‘Why don’t you start shooting then?’ and no matter how many times I answer, they still think this is some breaker of arguments. The answer is simple, because I can’t do anything for liberty if I’m dead or in prison. ”

    So you’ve said you think violence is necessary to bring an end to the state. So at what point exactly do you intend to initiate violence? What a joke! You can’t do anything for liberty if you aren’t going to put your money where your mouth is, either. The simple truth of the matter is you are a pussy. Until you decide to actually take up arms against the state, please shut the fuck up.

  • StillCantBanMe

    While I too dislike the police, I also like living in reality where there will never be peace and there certainly won’t be a first world country with peace without taxation/police. Unless you can show me an example otherwise? Yeah that’s what I thought.

    • Andy Shambaugh

      I can show you examples where police make things worse than they have to be. Nazi Germany for example it was police that arrested the Jews. The police are mercenaries of the State.

  • Steven Clarke

    I’m not saying I disagree with you, because I agree with your ideals and the message you are trying to get across. But don’t you think it’s a little extreme to say that “there are no good cops” and “these two officers deserved to die”? Sometimes (and I mean SOMETIMES) a cop is just another dude like me and you, doing his job. He puts the badge on his chest and his gun on his hip in the morning (hoping nothing crazy happens) and takes them off again when he gets home and fires up a doobie. I personally have never met any cops that I would call a “good cop,” but that doesn’t go to say that there are NONE. I’m SURE there is a cop out there SOMEWHERE that has never beaten or killed an innocent civilian, or taken someone to jail for NO reason at all….surely. But on the same note, it will be “good cops” like this who will eventually have to make the decision to lay down their badge and gun, else get caught in the crossfire of the revolution, and become collateral damage. I’m sure many ‘cops’ will leave their “job” and follow their heart when shit really starts to hit the fan. We need them on our side anyway.

    • matthew Foley

      No there is no such thing as a good cop. You cannot be a good person when you see those that stood beside you, took an oath with you, violate that oath and you do nothing to hold them accountable. They want to shoe there are good cops, they should start arresting their dirty gang members in blue, when they do what they swore to do, despite who the perpetrators are, then they can be called good.

      • Wrath Child

        Then go and tell the grieving widows and the kids who will now grow up without fathers that you’re happy their husbands/fathers are dead and how America is better that they’re dead. Go ahead

        • Uncanny Valley

          I’ll do that the second you grieve with Bin Laden’s widow.

          • Wrath Child

            So you’re saying you WOULD go and tell a widow and fatherless kid that you’re happy for their misery and they can go fuck themselves?

          • matthew Foley

            Yes I would tell a widow of an abusive thug and her kids I’m happy the gang member is dead, and I’m sure she would probably be as happy as I am, after all statistically speaking, cops are far more likely to abuse their spouse then non LEO. 1 in 4 is the recent stat.
            Then if I wasn’t married, I’d comfort the hell out of her

          • andrea abernathy

            I love u

          • matthew Foley

            Well thank you. Its good to be loved.

          • HokieHI

            1in 4 women will be abused at some point in her life <— that is the NATIONAL average, not specific to law enforcement. Get your facts straight.

          • matthew Foley

            Actually my stats are sound , and so are yours. While you are right about the national statistics a recent study shows that LEO are far more likely then non LEOs to be perpetrators of spousal and domestic abuse.
            So my facts are just as strait as yours you might want to research when your going to call someone out…could help you from making mistakes like that.

          • HokieHI

            Please point me in the direction of these “stats” as I am highly intrigued.

            No one person is immune from becoming a victim, and no one individual is immune from becoming an abuser…

          • matthew Foley

            Ask and I’ll give I have no problem backing up what I’m saying with sources
            The nature of their job demands fear, intimidation, and control. It pretty much is a breeding ground for domestic violence.
            The stat is above by the way I’ll source more when I’m not in my office.
            By the way I’m wrong sometimes, and I admit it when I am, fortunately for me here, unlike you who is currently keeping it civil and intelligent, most trolling me ( it would be insult I’ve to call it debating) are not makes it pretty easy to be right so long as you only talk about things you know.

          • matthew Foley

            That stat will load just as soon as Christopher allows it. Other than that my Facebook page has all these stats public as does sites like cop block.

          • jbourneidentity

            I’ve been reading your posts. I’ve noticed a theme. You’re never wrong, even though HokieHI made you look like a fool when you tried to lump LEOs into the national domestic abuse average. Of course, you had to do some damage control and then resort to an insult to cover up your lie. If being a megalomaniacal narcissist is required by your movement, I’ll pass. You’re no better than those already in office. As for your obvious genius, I don’t know whether to be impressed as hell or call bullshit. I have to say, I’m leaning toward the latter. With only 780,000 LEOs in the US and 150 million non LEO men in the US, I’m having a hard time accepting your position. Can you cite your sources? We non-geniuses will be waiting.

          • matthew Foley

            No one made me look like a fool, but your doing a great job of making yourself look like one.
            The source is below I’ll send more when I’m out of the office.
            I explained rather politely that she was right, and yet so was I at the same time. I didn’t back pedal or insult. In fact I’ve only insulted strait up morons who resorted to trolling behavior. Kinda like your starting to do here.

          • matthew Foley

            By the way kinda makes you a hypocrite to call someone out for insulting …in the exact same post you do nothing but insult folks…but hey weak arguments don’t exactly appeal to those with strong minds only strong opinions and insults right?

          • David

            OK, if the cop wasn’t abusive to his family (whether he knowingly abused other people or only abused other people through enforcement of “the law”) that would NOT go over well. Most likely you would tick them off, and rightfully so. I’m not a fan of police AT ALL, and I think statements like “there are good and bad cops just like there are good and bad people” are faulty for many reasons, but I’m not under the impression that every single cop shoots people’s dogs and flash-bang babies for fun either.

            All cops are bad but not all cops deserve to die.

          • KAi BhavinPatel

            No he’s saying that there are consequences to choices you make. You chose to be an aggressor, you will be dealt with.

          • matthew Foley

            That was exactly my point well said

          • Why not?

        • matthew Foley

          Give me an address and I’ll happily do it, just as soon as they go to the house of their dead gang members victims and do the same for the families of the autistic kids they kill rather then help, talk to the kids who will never see their dad or mom because of a plant, or apologize for their gang member spouse or daddy killing a toy dog pet or kittens in front of the kids that loved that family pet.
          I’ll wait…probably longer for that then you would me to let those families know how happy I am to see their gang member won’t be out breaking someone else’s rib cage for asking a drunk driver for his information after he hit their car ( 3,000 to an attorney and 3 cracked ribs is what it cost me to not go to jail for asking for a driver to give me the info after he hit my wife’s side of the car, and tossed bear cans out the window I was also called an antisemite and skin head ,I’m Jewish, so yeah. .fuck them)

          • Matt Jenkins

            Shut up you spineless nerd

          • matthew Foley

            Spineless? I have an opinion, I state it, I back it with facts. Your a fucking troll that has not contributed anything but insults.
            You probably are a cop living in your grandmas basement huh? Waking off to every SCOTUS ruling that further allow you to kill little puppies and harass the public.
            You may think your a big dog with that badge on, but online your what you really are a scared little bitch who’s mom wishes she had given birth to a real man.
            Well I’ll be her huckleberry

          • Corey Balbuena

            He’s right, you are spineless. You’re a tiny little nobody with an opinion that matters to absolutely no one.

          • FattTony

            And you are different?

          • matthew Foley

            looks like one person cares about my opinion lol

          • Anthony E.

            Says the tiny little nobody. Matthew Foley has quite a few people agreeing with him which is more than i can say for you.

          • matthew Foley

            theres two that care about my opinion any more and ill be like the count on sesame street. thats 3 that think Corey is an ass, 4, 5, 6, ah ah ah ah lol

          • matthew Foley

            My opinion matters to plenty here who actually have the courage to state their own, including some that disagree with mine, as obvious from the little likes, however the only opinion I care about, the only one that let’s me sleep well at night, is my own and maybe my family’s.
            I’m not very Codependent I don’t rely on others approval to know what’s right, I’m a grown man and can decide that for myself.
            I would say thanks for coming out, but….Other then insults I don’t see where you have contributed anything intelligent to the discussion. So once you have then I’m more then happy to debate those facts with you.

          • David

            I know you don’t necessarily care, but I definitely respect your opinions and agree with most of them from what I’ve read so far.

            I’d have you know that its only on this website that I seem somewhat moderate. I’m a full-blown Ron Paul supporter and an anarcho-capitalist. I’ve never heard anyone criticize me in real life for being too soft on cops, but I have been critcized for having problems with authority and for being extreme and radical and nuts and the like.

          • matthew Foley

            If you mean care about your opinion like enough to change mine…maybe not entirely .but I am not closed minded I care about others opinions and ideas, and when you speak logically and intelligently like these last few posts I’m reading I even listen too lol.
            While I personally am more of an All Gore supporter, I have said the only more conservative candidate that could lean my vote right is Ron Paul.
            Takes balls to stand in front of our whole country and say we instigate shit like 9/11 with our behavior in the middle east…truth ain’t easy to hear.
            Just know your not nuts. Your not crazy.
            It is perfectly rational and sane to fear or have issue with some one or a group, that makes it their mission and job to intimidate, threaten, and abuse people. Your biological evolution says this wants to kill me or hurt me. Its normal. Those that call you nuts …they fear the authority even more than we do thy fear it so much they have learned to block it from their own minds when they are being abused.
            As voters we should be held to some accountability for not doing all we can to end this abuse and madness, and we should be ashamed that we are such cheap whores that reality TV, McDonalds, and the like are enough to make us turn into stupid little follower sheep.
            Not sure how we can over come it, maybe ending the addiction we have to these lazy convience things that dull us and keep us blind and complacent is a start.

          • David

            You support Al Gore? Why? That seems completely inconsistent with what I’ve been reading from you. I’m not incredibly knowledgeable of Gore, but from what I have heard he has always been a robust supporter of more government controls.

            I’ve always found it puzzling how some lefties have an anti-police viewpoint. Its not that I think the anti-police viewpoint is wrong (I generally hold to anti-police viewpoints, though not to the same extent as Chris Cantwell). I just don’t see how those positions are consistent with left-wing ethics. I guess it could make sense for anarcho-communism (even though I don’t think anarcho-communism makes sense in and of itself) but more mainstream lefties NEED the State to do their bidding, at least on economic issues. So, why would someone who supports Al Gore have a problem with cops? My objection with cops is that they have to violate the principles of non-aggression to operate. But, if you believe in the NAP, wouldn’t Ron Paul be a far better candidate than Gore? (Not absolutely perfect, again, I am an anarcho-capitalist who rejects the State entirely, but minarchy is a huge step in the right direction.) And, if you don’t support the NAP, why is it wrong to be a cop?

          • Ryan Hadden

            Nope you are the same fascist judge attempting to decide if someone elses life has value or not. You exhibite every characteristic of who you claim to hate. You are just like the cops idiot.

          • matthew Foley

            A fascist would judge based on his or her own whim. I on the other hand have been open and said so to hearing opposite opinion when its presented with logic and rational facts , and like any human being anyone I judged was completely based on their actions.
            As to value of life, I highly value it. I value mine, my family’s, I value the lives of my fellow citizens who the thugs and gangs you call cops routinely slaughter and abuse without a second thought.
            I don’t however value the well being of my assailant over my own. I don’t value the well being of a bully over their victims. I completely stand for self defense no matter what station your assailant holds in life.
            You shouldn’t be so quick to judge and insult yourself, when these facist come for you and yours you may very well wish you had folks like me to defend you. Don’t worry I still would.

          • David

            Matt, how serious does someone’s crimes have to be before they deserve the death penalty?

            Whatever that is, does it make a difference whether the person is a police officer or not?

            Is killing someone for theft justified? (To be clear, I’m not talking about defense against theft, I’m talking about capital punishment, whether vigilante or not).

            Are all cops without exception guilty of a crime worse than theft?

            Does one’s mindset when he is committing a crime matter? In other words, if one man commits a crime with a selfish motivation, and the other man does something evil but he thinks he’s doing something good, are both men equally evil? Are you equally likely to want both men dead?

            To what degree, if any, do voters (assume a vote for a candidate who is promising to increase violations of the NAP, not a vote for someone like Ron Paul) bear responsibility for the actions that cops commit legally yet immorally?

            Is a cop who arrests a murderer a criminal for this action?

            Are there any peace officers in this country who do not enforce victimless crimes laws?

            If there were, would they deserve the death penalty just because they work for the government?

            Does kidnapping someone and holding them for a very short period of time warrant capital punishment? If not, at what point does responsibility shift from the cop to the prison warden?

            I don’t know the answer to all of these questions. The fact that I don’t know would make me hesitant to say that cops inherently deserve to die. And even if they did, I would not celebrate it.

          • Anthony E.

            Said like a coward who can’t stand the truth. Deal with it.

          • matthew Foley

            Anthony you sound like the kind of guy that deserves a beer 🙂 your ever out towards Salem Oregon you look me up downtown I’ll get you one .

        • KAi BhavinPatel

          you emotional fools will never learn. It doesn’t matter if you pull the trigger, give orders to do so or just stand there watching, doing nothing while the trigger is pulled by an organization you represent. You are an accomplice.

          • Matt Jenkins

            No I’m not. I am only responsible for what I do, not what others do.

          • matthew Foley

            When you witness others acting out of line or abusing someone and you do nothing, that is what you do that your responsible for …that is your crime hoss.
            You call folks stupid on here, well a very intelligent man named Einstein said that the world won’t end because of the acts of evil people it will end because of good people that do nothing.
            Your one of those second people …kind of the do nothing part at least

          • Corey Balbuena

            What are you doing for society? Posting on a website?

          • Anthony E.

            Yes he is. Just like you buddy.

          • matthew Foley

            For 7 years I tutored men ages 19-75 who were in prison in basic adult education. Taught them to read, write, the basic education skills they need to survive and be human.
            I saw it as a form of sabotage. I couldn’t end the prison system alone, but I did get 35 men their GED and 2 men their associates degree, most of them I still have contact with.
            Only 2 have gone back, drinking while on parole in their own homes not bothering anyone, the rest struggle to find employers and housing that honors what our society says but doesn’t do, that if they do their punishment we will give them a chance to be contributing members of society.
            I also own my own production company, mostly weddings, events, web series that clients want to do, commercials, but I do have films I make that see festivals and allow large portions of the community to hear the voices of mine and others views.
            Now I showed you mine, why don’t you show me yours? What do you do to contribute to society?

          • Jacob Sleets

            You do realize that there’s no such thing as a good person right? Even you mister perfect Matthew Foley. I’m sure if your mother and father saw a movie of your whole life they wouldn’t be too happy with all of it would they? Now of course I’m not justifying police brutality, hell fucking no that shit is sickening. But I am defending the fact that not every cop should be put to death. By saying this you are saying that every single american soldier should die because of the atrocities made by a minority of the soldiers during the vietnam war or even any of the 3 iraq wars. I’m sure half the soldiers don’t even know why they are out there in the first place. Also you are saying that everyone who has witnessed someone litter should be put to death. You are no better than hitler if you truly believe this and aren’t worth the air you breathe. You need to find some common sense real soon because you are very lost. I hope you realize what the hell you are really saying. Don’t respond unless you have something smart and educated. I’m not counting on it though.

          • Don Duncan

            Not “half the soldiers”, almost all have no idea why they are killing & being killed. It’s because they are brainwashed/and or not courageous enough to condemn wars of aggression. The US empire is a criminal enterprise for money & power, e.g., war is a racket.

          • Jacob Sleets

            So do you believe that their unfortunate ignorance is worthy of putting every recruit and every other soldier to death?

          • Don Duncan

            Didn’t the Allied Forces (WWII) put Axis soldiers to death? Were they not deemed “worthy”? Or should we have said: “Let’s try to talk to them. They are just suffering from “unfortunate ignorance”? When someone is trying to kill you do you stop and consider their state of mind before acting?

          • Jacob Sleets

            That is during a time of war against our enemy, not in a time of peace against US citizens..

          • Don Duncan

            Cops are killing unarmed citizens and getting away with it. That is undeclared war, i.e., a police state. The Gestapo had the same power. So did the SS. So does the CIA, NSA, and who knows how many other US secret police organizations? They don’t deny it. They claim it’s necessary. And the public is silent, compliant, self enslaved.

          • matthew Foley

            There is a difference between truely not being aware of what’s going on in the system, and blind loyal chosen ignorance.
            When they decide to choose to be ignorant and turn a blind eye, yes they are as guilty as the ones actually commiting abuse and should be held just as accountable.
            I was just following orders has never been a valid excuse, nor as any of us with good parents knows is the excuse of you did it because every one else was doing it.

          • Jacob Sleets

            I agree with you 100%. But you are not understanding what i’m saying. Not nearly every cop has turned a blind eye to police brutality. You are simply making an uneducated assumption on the rest of the US based on where you live. I’m sorry you live in a fucked up town. I agree that those directly present during the moment should be tried as accomplices but not the whole department..

          • matthew Foley

            you actually have a partially valid argument. I agree those that honestly don’t know, which is few if any, shouldnt be held accountable, neither should the even rarer one that does something about it.
            where i disagree with you is the uneducated as you put it assumption that I just have the bad luck of being in the one place this happens. look at the evidence by the posts here where people give their stories nationwide man. this is not random incidents in the rare places, it is an epidemic that needs to be put out before it pollutes us worse. I would love to see that start with non violent means, but as you can see from the ignorant people that tend to back the same horse you are ( far less educated then you are) they complain even with those means. when you leave nothing but violence available, violence is what you get.

          • Jacob Sleets

            This website isn’t widely recognized and as far as i can see, is largely intended for people like yourself with your views and experiences, so of course many people on here are victims of this. Metaphorically speaking, it’s like going to a bar and asking how many people are alcoholics, of course theres gonna be quite a few. But it’s not gonna be the same as asking at a mall or a nationwide poll for the sake of our argument. Now i have already said that agree with you in a sense, but not to put every single member of the police nationwide to death. There are about as many good cops as there are good people, which is none. There are only good people who have done bad things and bad people who have done good things sort of a yin and yang type of thing. Good police should not be collateral damage for the wrong doings of other cops. Where i agree with you the most is that whenever i see a cop i do indeed feel less safe than before i became aware of their presence. This should not be what it should feel like but unfortunately that’s just what the US has become. Although this is the case i feel like you have blown it out of proportion by making it seem like we all have a gun pointed to our heads at every moment of every day. It is not nearly that bad. I’m sure you can turn this argument on me and ask why I’m ok with feeling this way about cops and the thing is I’m not. This needs to change but it sure as hell does not require violence and especially not death. After all this I actually am grateful for the police because I’m sure that they have saved my life countless times by getting drunk drivers off the road and criminals off the streets that could have potentially harmed my family. You don’t have to accept my opinion but i do hope that this has shown you my stance on this issue.

          • Wrath Child

            But again you can’t compare all cops with the same brush. A police officer in Los Angeles has no clue what’s happening day to day in Chicago, just like those officers don’t have a clue what’s happening day to day in New York and so on. The only way you can apply this is within the local precint or stations.

            Also you talk about how cops just stand by and allow such attacks to occur…is that just an idea plucked out of thin air or do you have legitimate and specific cases?

          • matthew Foley

            I have actually spoken on many cases here already. I guess I could also add that Seattle police right now are suing US the tax payers because the new laws that make it harder for them to abuse us, they say it is unconstitutional and makes it so they cannot do their jobs. they flat out say they have a constitutional right to beat your ass and if you say no and get laws passed to stop it, they will sue you for it.
            i agree you can only apply it locally, or at least city wide in most cases ( precinct and stuff i get in new york, but in little towns that arent even on the map, or even here in salem, they all know each other well enough for that.
            of course a new york cop would not be expected to fly to miami and arrest a cop there, outside his jurisdiction, and all that silliness

          • ed

            I have been present in wars where U.S. chose to involve themselves. I’ve seen propaganda from both sides, I also see the news reported within U.S. and foreign news agencies. U.S. news don’t cover a fraction of what is truly going on, nor do they report crimes against humanity, that our fellow troops are capable of. Now for the record, I am not a member of a military, I merely observed. So my good sir, there is a problem with your statement. Although completely correct, you are now a paranoid conspirator. Well, that is how American public will perceive you for one reason or another, thus deflecting any statement from being recognized as reality or the truth. Somehow American citizens have been trained to believe what they are told by the media, a few look for real sources of information or even travel abroad to see first hand. Like I said, in war, every side is the righteous side to its own people. Wrong doings are almost never realized until after the conflict where light can be shed and communication restored, within the country and the outside world. However, both spew propaganda, without it wars wouldn’t be fought. Then again there is the question of religion which is used as a scapegoat for the bloodshed in most cases. I see the point folks above are making, this govt. is due for an overhaul. The idea of govt. itself is problematic, although many claim they could be self-sustainable, that simply is not the case. It is in human nature to bond into groups, therefore govt. exists even with cavemen. That is a debate over sovereignty, but relative to the problem. We are only born sovereign, the moment we interact with others in most cases that goes out the window for one reason or another. Some form of govt. is needed, even when a village binds together for some sort of protection against foreign invaders (in history), that as well was a form of govt. No matter how minute, it exists. However, it must be controlled, and no one person can do that. Hence the voting system, which is also a fallacy as is a reason for a president. It’s a complex problem. I don’t believe folks above advocate murder, rather reform. It’s a bit past due, and we are knee deep in debt and problems. Cops, I hate to say it, contribute to this problem. They are looked at as the government, or enforcers of law of such government. Once a nations people lose faith in police, they lose faith in the govt. itself. This is why all of this is so important. It is not a matter of police brutality, but the entire structure of this system. If double standards apply perhaps its time for a reform, as the entire country becomes a house of cards. Voice your concerns, protest peacefully to bring attention to the issue, re-educate people and shed a light on the misconceptions they have been made to believe and if all fails more drastic measures can be taken. Police has to be just, once they cease to do so, the nation is due for it’s fall. Every nation, or civilization throughout history has met its doom for one reason or another. Natural disasters are out of our ability to control, but other then that it is on us to decide how long we want to keep this nation going. At this pace, not very long. We must control our govt. from getting out of control, but that in itself is a form of governing. That’s just my two cents, and I apologize if I lost anyone as English is in fact my 2nd language. Don’t give up, the simplest solution to all of this is morality, finding it in those appointed officials is the problem.

            The fact that I had to read my above “paragraph” a few times before posting out of fear of rebuttal by some government body points out the issues we have. I escaped war, came here as a refugee, and became a citizen of the U.S. and my oath to the constitution is still fresh in my head. I should not have fear of the govt. due to lawful expression, or expression of though in general. The mere capability of thought, reason, and questioning is not illegal ! While I watch my war torn home country go through reform, it’s economy is starting to surpass that of the U.S. and so is it’s idea of freedoms. I am speaking of a 3rd world country here still folks, there is something wrong with that. Do you think that we must be doing something wrong if the land of the free is surpassed by a 3rd world country in the idea of freedom itself? hmmm… and although my conscience and experience of oppression of human rights are both screaming in my head not to post this, my love for the fellow human is making me. Absorb all information foreign and domestic and you will start to see a bigger picture start to reveal itself. Compare U.S. to other countries that are thriving at this time. Remember U.S. used to be #1, the same can not be said still.

          • ed

            sad truth is most folks don’t pay attention until the issue at hand affects them personally.

          • matthew Foley

            there is a difference between littering and beating someone to death for no reason except you have a badge that gives you the authority to think you can, and a few uneducated civilians dumb enough to agree with that assessment.
            I am by no means perfect, and I was not always a good person, on the contrary I was pretty fucking horrid.
            good people do exist. its weighing the scales man. Good people choose to do good things, because they are right. sometimes they make mistakes, or fuck up, but on the whole they weigh into the decent side.
            sociopaths, like the kind Law Enforcement draws towards them, they choose to abuse, torture, and mistreat. they know what they do is wrong, and they are excited or enjoy it anyway because something not right in their heads says it makes them feel good. they weigh in on the bad and fucked up side.
            i personally do not agree that the first step should be to kill them all, or even violence, hold them all accountable absolutely, but violence and killing should be a last resort when all else fails.
            I don’t however agree either with taking that option off the table. if it is needed to protect ourselves, our families, and our way of life ,then yes they need to die and they can be judged in hell.

          • Jacob Sleets

            Wasn’t this whole argument based on your opinion that every single cop should die? That’s literally the only reason I’m arguing with you..
            I only agree in killing anyone cop or not if it’s in self defense

          • Ryan Hadden

            What inthe fuck do you agitating poser? You don’t shoot it out with cops in the street. Where are your ideals? When is it enough to put down your comfortable social media device hit the street and get bloody? It will never happen because you lack the integrity to pull a trigger but your poser ass is trying to make a love story out of two men being killed? Fucking bullshit little fake ass anarcho warrior.

          • matthew Foley

            Actually I do plenty in the streets. I’ve even said as much here.
            I have never been a part of a situation that was deserving of killing some one in self defense, but I have video taped, documented, and shown up as a witness for those that have been victims of police abuse .
            Unlike some I don’t just tape either. I involve myself quite often letting them know I’m filming, which tends to be when they stop and hide from cameras , or stop and attempt to steal my camera for its footage. Again since I follow the law, they have never been so stupid as to force me to use force to protect myself or my belongings, but if that day comes I’m sure they will run a nice little article on copblock about me being killed over a damn camera, but like combatants I’ve faced before I promise you, I won’t go quietly or alone.

          • Ryan Hadden

            Who you trying to convince me or yourelf? Lol

          • matthew Foley

            you realize your only laughing with yourself right? almost everyone else here finds you pathetic, using the insults of weak minded people.
            you asked, I gave. I don’t have to convince myself of shit, I got the facts on my side, when you support rapist and abusers, how exactly do you sleep at night?

          • Ryan Hadden

            You ain’t got shit on your side, I was equating your mentalility to a facsist pig. I’ve read like twenty of your replies and all you do is imtimadate and bully people just like the cops you claim to hate. I didn’t say one time I suppost cops I said your personality type is the same I’m always right imtimadition bullshit. I mean seriouslly telling people your gonna fucking fight them and then all of a sudden your some hero? No dude you are a lying douche bag. And if you think I give a fuck about what anyof these idiots on here think about me, I mean really free thinking, or bullying and intimadation. Yourjust jealous you don’t have the uniform with your cock mentality.

          • matthew Foley

            who did I say i would fucking fight? the only one jealous is you hoss. you have no support for your opinion, because the facts just don’t back you, the only ones that seem to are the two piggies that do what you do, debate through insult because they have no facts.
            you keep using that term Fascist, in the words of one of my favorite films, I do not think it means what you think it does. ( nor for that matter is it spelled the way you spell it)
            i have never intimidated or bullied anyone, in fact quite often I have found a lot of what Wrath Child said interesting, even if I still disagree with a lot of it after reading it.
            When people I disagree with keep it Civil, I am more than willing to hear them out, and do, when they do nothing but insult and run their computer warrior mouth, I return that favor. Respect is earned and you son, haven’t earned that. your writing is horrendous, so I can only assume it is because someone failed you on your education that you are like the guy that rides around our park here shouting about how Alex Jones is so right, you know paranoid and full of shit. i don’t hate you, I feel sorry for you. but your a big boy now and there are places you can go, books you can read, to educate yourself where the public school system failed you, most of it is free too.

          • Ryan Hadden

            Go read your own comments. Come on out to oregon we can fight like men? Ring a bell? Go diss some more canadians with your obviously superior nationalistic bullshit. I have no vested interest in this debate I don’t like cops and I don’t like bullies and not once did I think about giving you respect so why would I expect it in return? Lol good fucking god the arrogance of people that are supposed to be free thinkers. You have replied to this thread like 30 times go do what you claim to do poser, I see your activity, I have read what a comrade you are. Your just bummed no one will ever ask for your help which is why once again you should go join the force.

          • matthew Foley

            lol so you are a stalker then lol. that is on a whole other page entirely, with a person that first suggested I head up to edmonton to get my ass kicked by him and his friends.
            you keep internet stalking me I might have to actually sign an autograph.
            if you have no vested interest troll…why are you here? I reply when someone replies to me, as part of my job, owning a business, is to spend quite a bit of time online advertising, doesn’t take very long to pop over and educate you when another one of your simple minded insults pops up
            they don’t normally take felons on the force by the way, not that I would join if they did.

          • Ryan Hadden

            Ohh yeah, and you tried to talk down to me, and called me son? Lol, if only you knew how many times I’ve been called that by some fucking cop but hey keep exhibiting that behavior. Unlike people like you that “follow” the law and even brag about it. I don’t

          • matthew Foley

            so you don’t follow the law? how then are you online? I mean if you are such a big bad outlaw, why aren’t you in prison?
            maybe you partake of the ” snitch on three get set free” rule the cops got? or a little paid informant?
            i talk down to you because your beneath me. your insults and lack of intelligence here shows that. i respect my equals, but sheep are not my equals.

          • Heather Ward

            I notice you say you let them know you are video taping, but you don’t try to actually stop them from beating or raping someone… you stand on the sidelines and shout out.. “hey stop I am getting you on camera you will be identified later…” (You also admit that you would get physical if you had to protect your camera, but you won’t get physical to protect another human being.. Your own admission.) And who is it that you take your video tape to, to go be the one to put themselves in personal danger to get the attacker? That’s right the police….
            The difference between you and a cop? If a cop saw someone being attacked whether he/she was on duty or off would NOT hesitate to put themselves in harms way to stop it! You are coward with a video camera allowing ppl to get raped & beaten (your own admission) I mean do you at least call the police while you are video taping?? But courageous you running like hell to get away so you can be the “hero” that testifies in court…later…. And yes an off duty FEMALE cop would be braver than you.
            When someone shows up at your door or recognizes you on the street to give you the ass whooping you deserve possibly even beat you to death, just remember the 3 lil numbers you will be dialing and who you will be begging them to send to help you….

            matthew Foley
            Unlike some I don’t just tape either. I involve myself quite often letting them know I’m filming, which tends to be when they stop and hide from cameras , or stop and attempt to steal my camera for its footage. Again since I follow the law, they have never been so stupid as to force me to use force to protect myself or my belongings, but if that day comes I’m sure they will run a nice little article on copblock about me being killed over a damn camera, but like combatants I’ve faced before I promise you, I won’t go quietly or alone.

            Nice to know you will get physical to protect your camera though…. Yeah, you don’t just video tape, you tell them “hey stop it that’s wrong….”

          • matthew Foley

            actually I admit that if I had to, I would defend my equipment or my person, and yes I have actually stepped up and demanded they stop assaulting a man, if I witnessed a rape, i havent yet thankfully, I would indeed get physically involved. I never said i wouldn’t in fact most of my posts make it quite clear i am more than willing, if the situation calls for it, unlike a cop, i dont beat the shit out of someone first and ask that it be covered up later.
            i have never pissed myself nor would I and as I made clear i turn my work in on free to view websites, some that I help run, and defense attorneys, and I don’t charge for it as the police do. I have never ran to a cop, and will never run to a cop. I have run to a fireman , an EMT, you know people who actually help situations, but I would and have never, involved the police.
            yes I work with a crew, so like they train first responders, I keep my eye on making sure they do not get away with abuse, while one of my guys calls the local EMT to have them aware they should send someone out to see how much medical attention they will need. I have in the past given rides to victims to Salem Hospital when they were not detained, and though it has never come up, I would be willing to help them until their lawsuit came through with medical bills since they shouldnt have to sacrifice for being a victim.
            I find it ironic however that all of you that want to preach against violence against an armed assailant, are so hostile to the peaceful options that are the only steps left before violence takes place.
            lets go through the list of stuff you people find cowardly and unacceptable:
            -filming cops
            -verbally standing up to cops in person
            -running to I.A. if you have something on cops ( something im against to but for logical real reasons I dont call people weak or cowardly for it, just doing something that is a waste of time when they will just cover it up anyway)
            -citizen’s arrest of cops
            – making people aware online of abuse by cops
            – showing disdain for them in any way
            – and finally shooting, killing or in anyway physically defending yourself or others from an armed assailant.

            I probably missed some but it seems your point, and others like you, is we need to be victims. we need to accept the abuse, and shut the hell up.
            I love how those with a valid debate here, they speak intelligent, they source their facts, for the most part they remain adults even when ya all act like children
            on the flip side you people tend to go strait to insults, baiting phrases and terms ( calling people cowards, traitors, terrorist, or your last little quip about staging rapes…you know the kind of stuff you wouldn’t say to someone’s face because those things come with physical consequences but your okay cuz your a computer warrior)
            your kind does not have a valid argument, and deep down you know this to be true, so you have to attack your victim, attack their character, and use the tactics of the weak minded because your not standing on strong debate ground. seems that it would be easier to just admit your wrong or you don’t know or want to know, and move on defeated, but your kind don’t care for defeat that much…even though you should be used to it by now as often as it happens. ( you didn’t want everyone to have health care, you lost, you didn’t want people to be able to eat ,and you lost, you wanted a christian idol worshiped in schools to be mandatory, you lost that one in spades! you don’t want a minimum wage people can actually survive on, your losing that, this list goes on for a bit)
            don’t worry you will lose this one too. maybe not before the police state is in full effect, but if it gets to that point, you can be sure that even though you run your mouth and defend abusers, people like me will still come to your defense , because that is what good people do.

            by the way you say the difference between me and a cop is that even if they were off duty they would not hesitate to put them selves in harms way if they saw someone being raped or abused.
            I guess our meaning there unless the assailant is one of their own right? because then they cant according to your buddies here, they have to go through multiple channels, investigate, give the abuser or rapist a paid bbq vacation where they can beat on the wife and kids that would rather they were at work beating and raping someone else, and then and only then after months of that crap, then they would charge the victim with resisting the abuse steal all their shit, and put them in jail and put the abuser back on the street. that is what you meant right? unless it is one of their own?
            wait no I forgot they also would not stand against a paid informant either so i guess your hoping your assailant isn’t a drug snitch, or some other low level criminal that is paid with our tax dollars to commit criminal acts and victimize the public, so long as they snitch on the competition. you meant except them too right?
            wait…forgot…this is all moot any way because no off duty cop is doing shit unless their is a promotion in it for him. no your just fucked.
            I on the other hand would and have stepped in.

          • Ryan Hadden

            Bull fucking shit. You can write six page responses to every comment it doesn’t make you any better of a person. I didn’t stalk I went and looked on past public comments to see what kind of a person you are. You are the guy that 8 days ago gets called out for grammar, slams the dude saying you don’t have to use correct grammar blahblah blah, and then the next day attacks me and my grammar? Just another one of the hypocrite characteristics you have mr online officer. Keep walking the beat your clearly above the laws even you set. I don’t have to defend my self here but I would bet I’ve lived way more exciting a life than you. Your the idiot following the cops, but I’m the idiot the cops are following, you ought to watch out with what you claim it might be me getting my ass kicked one day and your dumb self righteous ass trying to be a hero might just get sucked into the mix, you’d do great down in county. You could talk to all the real criminals that would just laugh at you and your obvious self martyrdom complex, brag about how you use a camera and get in petty online debates with people you are so much better than it would seem you would just not respond. But hey your you, and your definately not a douche bag.

          • matthew Foley

            So .. Which one? Name the facility hoss.
            Granite? EOCI, snake, two rivers, deer creek? Where you been man, and don’t spout some San Quentin bullshit my buddy Mo was just there before transfer to OSP.
            I did my time where you do yours?
            What bitch cat got your tongue?
            Your a stalker troll you went out hunting me on other discus posts, Google+, YouTube
            Your committed I grant you that but then so are child molestors.

          • Ryan Hadden

            Sevier co, you can even google my name in the mountain press

          • Ryan Hadden

            I guess you named the only correctional institutes in the country. People like you are so fucking stupid, for the record I live in sevierville tn, so if I get in trouble I definately wouldn’t be going to san quentin you stupid fuck.

          • Ryan Hadden

            Anarchists and civil agitators that follow the law? Lol. What do you fucking pray too? Go cite the constitution online warrior

          • Corey Balbuena

            And you’re an idiot. Being a cop does not make you responsible for the actions of other cops, no more than does being a human make you responsible for the actions of other humans. By your logic, I can expand and blame you for the actions done by gangs, dirty cops, and terrorists, because all of you fall under a common category: Human. But I won’t, because I’m not a clueless, ignorant idiot.

          • Monkeywrench542 .

            no, he is right. being a cop means that they have to uphold the law, even if it is against other cops. not doing so against other cops means that any supposedly good cop is just as corrupt as the other ones.

          • Corey Balbuena

            LMAO no, it doesn’t. There is a chain of command and a system in place. Cops can not just go around arresting other cops. Investigations have to take place. In order for that to happen, the investigation has to be approved. And even then, it is not a cops job to hold that investigation, that is the job of internal affairs.
            Also, you are assuming that every cop knows who is and isn’t dirty. If dirty cops were so sloppy that any random cop knows they’re dirty, they would never last in the streets.

          • Don Duncan

            Cops arrest “suspects” all day, every day, before a full investigation, before going thru the chain of command (getting permission). It’s their job. Are you suggesting that cops can’t arrest cops because of “a system in place” that protects them? Thank you. Obviously, you are a cop who has just exposed the system that makes it nearly impossible for cops to be held accountable. Next, you will stammer that this “system” is “for citizens protection” because it would impair your performance to have other cops looking over your shoulder. Keep laughing.

          • petulantes

            Cops are people stuck in their jobs.. Just like a walmart cashier cant change POLICY or arrest corporate thugs..or a plain citizen could not live to arrest the president for wars of aggression against sovereign nations . (Although the law provides for that )
            NOT defending the roid headed thugs.. If someone had opened fire on the a-holes that murdered Kelly Thomas or the homeless guy in Arizona I’d feel elated!

          • matthew Foley

            There is a difference between changing corporate policy, and rape and murder.
            And yes they absolutely can do a citizens arrest when they see a crime in progress. For that matter we can do a citizens arrest when a cop is commiting a crime, because they protect each other like a gang does, currently our legal right to arrest them for commiting crimes will get us arrested unlawfully, but I guess those advocating a peaceful way to revolt should look at that option. Just start going as groups and arresting cops on a citizens arrest every time they abuse the law. Sure like Martin Luther king Jr. At first many of us would see jail cells as they protect and cover up their fellow gang members actions, but have a movement even a quarter of the occupy movements size arresting dirty cops on the street and the smell of their shit would reek so bad there would eventually be no ability to cover it all up, and we as a society would finally see change or we would see how far the Stockholm syndrome has gone in this country.

          • matthew Foley

            Yes they can, they absolutely can and there is proof of that when they accidentally arrest off duty cops not knowing its a cop they are arresting .
            This is not the military no matter how much they wish it to be. Chain of command does not apply to a cop in the act of commiting a rape or abuse. It applies when another cop or citizen has reason to believe they could be, but they are not witnessing it at that moment .
            An investigation for these civilians should and legal is required to take place in the exact same way it does when you or I commit a crime. If your caught in the middle of it your arrested, have to post bail , and then see a judge and jury.most likely you sit it out in jail, losing your income and job, etc.
            If your not in the middle of the act then depending on the amount of evidence they have to suspect you, those same rules apply to a greater or lesser extent.
            Cops are not above that process. There is no special police tribunal courts, no dishonorable discharge , and there sure as hell shouldn’t be paid rewarded vacation for acting a fool in public.
            If I shoot someone , even in self defense , my ass is arrested, I am not paid , and I sit in jail not the comfort of my home and BBQ , until self defense is proven. They should be held to at least that standard as they swore an oath to uphold the law they are asking us to follow.
            If they don’t see the need to follow a law, don’t see it’s importance, then why should any of us?

          • Cyle Rippey

            Kill yourself. Go ahead, do it, I won’t be responsible for you taking your life? Are you fucking kidding me dude, let me explain how this so called “Safety nets” you speak of really work.

            Cops protect other cops, so it never get’s to internal affairs you dolt.
            Internal affairs also has a great deal of corruption on top of that! So great, it get’s to I.A. then what? It get’s tossed nine time’s out of ten.

            Let me fill you in on a little number out in Texas of rape kits that never got processed, let me see here, what was that number, OVER 18,000! OVER 18,fucking thousand! And that’s not the only state that has a back log with a staggering number, some are in the millions.

            That’s just for rape cases, I don’t even want to consider what else they aren’t dealing with.

            If you had one once of education over that of what you were force fed in school you’d be able to see the fallacies in your statements and amend them ASAP…

          • petulantes

            Then in that very same breath condemn everyone who goes along with all of the wars, all of the fascist crap in this country as you are NOT stopping it, so you must agree with it ..

          • Monkeywrench542 .

            as I am not an elected official nor am I in the military, I can get away with not agreeing with you. as a citizen, I am not one of those people that can declare a war for the USA.

          • KAi BhavinPatel

            You are comparing something I was born with(the human body) with something a person chose to be(a cop).
            I won’t call you stupid to sound intelligent but I will tell you that your logic is flawed.

          • matthew Foley

            If I saw what gangs and terrorist were doing and had the power to stop it, you could hold me accountable for doing nothing about it. Thats why cops are held accountable for other cops. Their JOB is to uphold the law, no matter who breaks it to commit a crime. Even if its their fellow gang members. Its called guilt NY association. They are held to a higher standard because they swore an oath to be held to that standard, and are paid well with our money to do so.
            I’m an employer. If my guys come I’m drunk, disorderly, abusive to clients , late, or in anyway unprofessional I would fire their ass on the spot. Its my job as their boss to judge them based on their performance and reward or consequence them accordingly.
            We are the police’s boss. We pay them. We have every right to judge them based on their ability to do that job, and fire them if they don’t perform that job or take a blind eye and or cover up the ones that don’t .
            We should also commend the ones who do the job right, however currently that is rare if it all when you see one publicly arrest his partner when he abuses his position.

          • Cyle Rippey

            Corey, your clueless aren’t you? It is in fact our responsibility, the only thing worse then not taking responsibility is indifference. WE the people established Government, Police, and everything else, we employed PEOPLE, to do these jobs to a certain expectation, and WE let them get out of hand.

            So your right, by Mr. Foley’s standards, I’m glad you had the intellect to realize it, but I am not going to agree with an idiot who realized the truth, and then his indifference and piss poor morals made him not to blame.

            Your just as much at fault as the rest of us, even if you didn’t vote, or did, even if your a cop or not, it doesn’t matter, we are all responsible for the state our Country is in.

            The fact that you think because we’re not in the same job as the guy at Wal’mart verses a cop makes it not my problem, just SCREAMS “I’m a narrow minded fearful idiot, and if the world burns at least I didn’t have a part in it” But you did you fucking tool, just like I did, just like my parents and theirs did before them.

            If you can stand there and say it’s not our fault, I say to you sir, kill yourself, because your not going to be of use on either side, the only thing your good for by your standards is breathing air, and when action is required you’ll do nothing, so sit there and do us all a favor, do something, and take your aloof opinions off this world permanently you make me sick.
            You can’t be human, because to be human you have to have a conciseness, and you obviously don’t.

          • Monkeywrench542 .

            of course you are not a clueless ignorant idiot, you just do not know what you are talking about. be a cop in the county I lived in Wisconsin and commit a crime of any type and watch yourself get arrested or ticketed by the sheriff or his deputies.

          • matthew Foley

            yes it does. yes it does. they swore an oath to uphold the law, and to enforce it. yes they are paid to be responsible for enforcing the law, even if they see their brothers in blue violating it. they are not born pig, they make themselves that way. and they are paid for just that responsibility, as you know since your a cop.

        • John Mullis

          I’ll do that when you tell all the innocent families who had thier loved ones murdered by cops.

        • Who cares?

        • John L Myers IV

          My father was a cop for 25 years in Pasadena, Texas. He was an abusive alcoholic, as so many of them are. (Highest abuse rate, divorce rate, cheating rate, and suicide rate after dentists. That’s how it used to be anyway.) I, my mother, and my sister would have all been much better off if someone had done this for us back then. I went to jail at 18 for putting two cops in the hospital. My son went to UT at 18 and graduated with a dual major (Government and History) and honors in both. He just got accepted to Harvard Law School. I love politics and history and did well in school, until the abuse got too bad. The differences between the two of us is he had a decent father who loved him more than himself or a damn job.

          • Jacob Sleets

            I’m sorry that happened to you but the actions of one do not justify the future of countless others. It’s like saying everyone named john has an alcoholic and abusing father. That isn’t remotely accurate at all. Not all cops are like your father.

          • Don Duncan

            You completely missed the point. He was saying that the dehumanizing effect of his work made him drink & abuse his family. The stats he quoted prove this. When people get this kind of power, it does damage to society and to them, personally. The same can be observed with the suffering of slaves and slave owners. Yes, the owners also are dehumanized. This was one of the chief facts that when recognized, helped abolish slavery in Britain.

          • Anthony E.

            Except that it does Jacob. it does when those countless others show the same propensity for fucked up corrupt behavior. It absolutely does. Not all cops are like his father, just MOST.

          • matthew Foley

            Is police abuse like UFOs for you? Are you going to have to be party to it to believe how wide spread it is? Family of cops tell you even off duty they are sons of bitches. Statistics say they are 1 in 4 more likely to commit spousal abuse, that they have killed more people in the last decade then insurgents killed in the entire Iraqi war to this point…I’m sorry that more victims is what it seems it will take for people like you to open their eyes, and I hope that the one that shows you reality isn’t someone you love and are close to.

          • Anthony E.

            Kudos John. Cops are not heroes and most are absolute cowards taking advantage of their impunity. Firefighters on the other hand are ACTUAL heroes who can wear that badge with honor.

          • matthew Foley

            Unfortunately Anthony , lately they get arrested when they are in the middle of doing life saving jobs. Look at that fireman in Louisiana who was detained for 15 minutes in a squad car because he refused to take a break from saving a woman’s life to move his truck, which had its lights flashing, that was making it inconvient for a cop to park that showed up later.
            We should respect those heroes, they save lives, but part of that respect should be outright open protest when a pig detains one while saving a life. When we don’t we are saying we accept that behavior and that its okay.
            And I know right now I’m preaching to the choir lol

          • Anthony E.

            I agree Matthew. Since I was a child I’ve seen firefighters do nothing but save lives, and do so without the need to be recognized that police seem to need. I’ve read about firefighters being arrested while in the process of saving a life. Its out right sociopathic behavior when your ego not only puts the public in danger from your own shit head way of thinking, but to stop a firefighter from actually being of use to society makes my blood boil. EVERY black person I know has the highest respect firefighters. I’ve seen people get aggressive with other motorists that would not move for a fire truck on its way to an emergency. this respect has been EARNED by those brave folks. But the cowards in blue want a pat on the back for being the tiny dick morons they are. Fuck em.

          • Wrath Child

            I had a friend in school who’s dad was a fireman…and who beat them and his mom for years, he was also an alcoholic. So now does that mean all firemen abuse their families?

          • matthew Foley

            you have one case, just here on this page are many. now your just being silly where you were actually trying to keep an intelligent conversation going. statistics show cops are more likely then anyone else to commit spousal and domestic abuse, recent study. one case doesnt make it so, multiple plus double blind studies…that makes one a jackass

          • matthew Foley

            My father was out of Robert E Lee. Sounds like our dads probably worked a couple over time hours on a miller time shift together . sorry you went through that but despite the opinion of some here know that your not alone. I hope I’m as good to my son as you obviously have been to yours.

        • Mark Berlinski

          Ok

        • Jim Strathmeyer

          What should we tell all the wives and kids that cops murdered and got away with?? There’s more than two of them.

      • Wesley Jeffers

        There is such a thing as a good cop. Some police officers legitimately join the force in order to protect and serve; they’re the ones who willingly go out and risk their lives to defend the public from killers and psychopaths. Not all cops enjoy having to give tickets just to meet their quotas. I’ve been pulled over by police before when I was going 20 over the speed limit, they saw I wasn’t reckless, and they sent me on my way with a warning and a kind smile. They weren’t bad cops, they were just making sure I wasn’t intoxicated and therefore a danger to other people on the road, and once that had been confirmed, I was free to go. This article is too extremist. Rational people like myself are going to look at this and see it as nothing more than a hate speech. Which is really all this is: pure hate. Don’t get me wrong, I hate what police have become. Speaking for the majority, I believe they no longer serve and protect, they abuse, needlessly ticket, and further the advancement of America into a police state, if it can’t already be called one. But there is still a minority of police officers who actually care about citizens and see them as more than a source for unfair taxation and prison profit. I want change just as much as the author of this article, but that isn’t going to happen by spreading an irrational amount of hatred over an entire group of people with as much bias as this article contains. The author speaks about police as if he were a white supremasist speaking about blacks. You’re going to get a lot of support from people who are already against police and have a strong hatred for them such as Mr. Foley here, but that’s not going to change anything. You need to focus on changing the views of average Americans. They should be your target audience; try to convert more people to a revolutionary mindset. “Kill every dirty pig with no exceptions!” works great on getting extremists like yourself up in arms, but that’s only going to make a potential revolution even harder to obtain by scaring away the rest of the public.

        • matthew Foley

          And when they see their fellow LEO commit abusive acts….and they don’t uphold their oath and arrest those dirty cops, or worse cover it up…Thats what good people do right?
          No there is no such thing as someone who has the mental ability to live with themselves doing a job that requires they treat human beings like animals , abuse and intimidate fellow citizens on a daily basis and kill family pets for no logical reason. Those are the actions of a sociopath or serial killer…and I haven’t heard of many nice serial killers or good sociopaths.

          • Jimmy Fontana

            You live under constant threat of force by these thuggish monsters and your gonna sit around and say some of them are good. Individuals are responsible for what they do and especially if presented with the chance to join a club that allows you to do violence against your fellow man almost with impunity, that’s pretty fucked up and you’re not a good person. I don’t care how propagandized or stupid you are. If you are too dumb to understand basic morality then I have no sympathy for you.

          • matthew Foley

            Read my posts again, as you obviously have not read them the first time.
            My opinion is the only good ones are dead ones I’m making that pretty clear I thought.the rest of what your saying is speaking to the fucking choir with me.

          • matthew Foley

            In short your calling someone out who agrees with you….maybe read first man. You make us look bad when you insult someone saying exactly the same thing as you

          • Guest

            Jimmy, people like you are so dumb that I don’t even know how you manage to breath.

          • David Triana

            Dear Troll, We get it. Your bored and have just landed on this webpage. Please google forums and try one of thoes please. Thanks in advance.

          • matthew Foley

            actually david the guest here had a valid point, as jimmy was chewing me out for believing exactly as he does, and not reading before posting. that is quite frankly dumb.
            before you chew someone out and insult them, you should check the context of their post so you don’t come off as uneducated or a troll yourself. thanks in advance.

          • David Triana

            In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people by posting inflammatory extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

          • matthew Foley

            so the argument of the weak then? your wrong, you haven’t got the courage to admit such, so you do the grammar police, or slang police, because thats all you have left to fight with?
            well then check your own definition. you called a man a troll, which would be an insult meant to sow discord, without actually reading the context of what he was saying, which had merit and was on topic. by your very definition your not only a troll, but a hypocrite.
            not to mention the tone you used as a smart ass was obviously meant to start an argument with that person. thats two ways you fit your own definition of troll.
            so the uneducated troll comment I made actually holds water, you don’t even win a weak debaters argument…wow that must suck.

          • David Triana

            Keep on ranting I’m enjoying it.

          • matthew Foley

            I know cuz your a troll

          • David Triana

            Thank You come Again.

          • djfoxglove

            You do mean b r e a t h E,right?or do you mean one breath only?don’t talk shit to people when you can’t even spell fella.

          • matthew Foley

            oh fuck more grammar police. listen correcting grammar on such a small thing is a weaklings way of not having a good argument to fight back with. language and grammar are constantly changing I don’t see people giving you shit because your not writing german, which english originated from.
            fuck man these days people write whole posts in text speak, get a life.

          • Matt Jenkins

            Matthew Foley, you are so stupid I don’t even know how you manage to breathe.

          • matthew Foley

            So just copy and paste what someone said to the guy that can’t read? Why not show some intelligence and courage and give a reason you think I’m so stupid ? Or are you a cop because then your lazy copy paste response that makes no sense would be understandable

          • Matt Jenkins

            I’ve known a few cops personally. I don’t like them all, but I do like some. I even went to school with some kids who became cops. None of them are corrupt or bad people. I get to talk to them about what they do, what their day is like, and what they go through. Cops get more bad press than anyone. And a ton of them are absolute scum. But there are good cops. If you’d grow up, you would understand that.

          • matthew Foley

            And those good ones when they see corrupt abuse taking place they do what? Arrest the officer? Do they even file a report with I.A.?
            If not they are not good they are just Nazis with a nicer smile.

          • John Coleman

            A cops “job” is to initiate violence, whether by threat alone or as carried out physically. They must initiate violence to collect the “tax” they live on, they are all criminals because of this.

          • nic

            Now cops are serial killers? You’re too much. And a very very big hypocrite. The way I see it is cops enforce the law. Which is not set in place by them. Mad cops arrest people for smoking a plant? It’s illegal! If they don’t arrest these people than they’re doing exactly what you’re saying they’re crooked for. If cops didn’t enforce the law this article would be ass backwards saying you hated them for being lazy. Saying these two men deserve to die for doing their job is horrible. Don’t break the law and you’ll never have to deal with a cop. Simple as that.

          • Anthony E.

            “Don’t break the law and you’ll never have to deal with a cop”. WOW.
            You’re clearly extremely sheltered and must have cops in thefamily because your statement is very fucking stupid and un-informed. I have to give you credit. I didn’t think people were this stupid now-a-days.

          • matthew Foley

            I wonder if Jews like me and folks like you would even be able to post on the internet had Martin Luther king and the civil rights movement held their kind of thinking.
            ” your absolutely right officers I deserved fire hoses and dogs set on me because I broke the law and loved someone of a different color or was too thirsty to make it to the colored only faucet. ”
            Sad when people can think that way.

          • matthew Foley

            The man said he was a profiler . well the profile of many serial killers , most , starts with abuse of small animals and detachment from normal human reactions and responses..
            So if the jack boot fits they should lace that bitch up.

          • Cyle Rippey

            So your alright with having no say in what laws are being upheld, and which aren’t, you have no problem not having a freedom of speech or basic human rights, and it’s perfectly okay as long as their transgressions are never pointed at you? “Don’t break the law and you’ll never have to deal with Police”

            Your absolutely ignorant, we the people gave the power to the people in these uniforms, but we can’t take it away any more…

            I’ve never done anything worth going to prison over, or get maced by a cop, I’ve never resisted any form of police brutality and I’ve never done anything to get it, but it has happened to me. I’m a fucking Marine for christ sake’s, I fought for the most basic of all American ideals, freedom.

            You would rather just live your life like a sheep, then by all means do so, me however I will not stand by as people come into my home and take my guns away, or take my kids, or shoot my dogs, I will NOT let anyone, not matter what uniform, if any at all come into my home with out invitation, or warrant to do so.

            I have no problem shooting a fool who came into my home armed even if by mistake, which oh look, has happened by COPS, they stormed the WRONG home, Killed a man, beat his wife to the ground, and got away with it…

            This is only ONE account, there are many many more. The goal is to keep crime at the lowest rate possible, deemed by the people as laws we should all live by, now how is it that none of us have a say all of the sudden in those very laws we’re supposed to have in place?

            If a man can choose when, and which laws he has to follow he is not a man, he is a tyrant thinking he is above the law.

            Don’t break the law, and you won’t have to deal with cops until EVERY common man becomes the target no matter the position, or life lived. As long as it’s convenient for you is what your saying by this, that it doesn’t affect you, but once is does your tune will change.

          • Don Duncan

            Every man can choose to disobey a law, or he can be a slave to the law and to those who make them. It takes a sovereign to evaluate other’s rules and disobey. It takes a subservient drone to blindly follow the law. Tyrants demand subservience. They can’t rule without it. Drones (cops who follow the law) make tyrants possible also.

          • matthew Foley

            it is soldiers like you, who show what this country is really about. thank you.

          • InalienableWrights

            The guards at Aushwitz were just following the law nic….

            Slaves that ran away were also breaking the law nic…. I guess your advice would have been for them not to break the law.

            are you really this stupid or did you have to work at it?

          • David

            I’m not going to say all cops are serial killers, but this is why most of us here think that all cops are bad. Because they have to enforce laws like this in order to keep their jobs. And that is wrong. The law doesn’t give you an excuse to violate basic morality.

            Let’s assume (for the sake of argument guys, I don’t actually even agree with this) that if you never broke the law, cops would never bother you. So what? If the law is unjustified, this doesn’t make it right! Its like saying “if you don’t have property, you don’t have to worry about armed robbers” (and unfortunately, almost all if not all cops are armed robbers, they have to do it in order to keep their jobs. See ticket quotas and so forth.)

            Now, to soften this just a little bit, and as a disclaimer: I don’t believe most cops deserve to die. I don’t even deny that some are decent human beings who think they are keeping their community safe. But “think” is the key word. Their thinking is in error, and they’ve been brainwashed into ignoring basic morality just like you have.

            I know a cop who’s a nice guy, but he’s not a “good cop.” THat would be impossible.

          • DanWaz

            How bout you just get the hell out of the Unites States and pick a place that is better suited for you instead of wishing death upon people. No one is forcing you to live in America.

          • matthew Foley

            you know that tired cowards argument is old right? what are you a south park character..if I don’t like ‘merica I can git out?
            this country was founded by people that said that what was going on was wrong, and violently when needed rose up and overturned it. had they lost, our ancestors would have been labeled as terrorist, not revolutionaries.
            what country or place is better suited for someone that sees abuse and suffering caused by the very tax paid servants that are suppose to prevent that, and says that is not okay, and should be stopped by any means? this is the perfect place for that, shit our ancestors specifically had a problem with martial law and search and seize without a warrant. the british army could just commandeer a persons home and property, no questions asked, and do as they wished with it. our ancestors killed hundreds of them for the very abuses the police commit with our governments approval today.
            Thomas Jefferson actually said that when the government does not serve the interest of the people, it is not only the right, but the responsibility of the people to rise up and tear down that government to create a new one that would. he said that letting blood about every fourth generation was the only way to keep the government by the people for the people…sounds like the founding fathers agree more with me on what America should be then cowards like you.
            i call you a coward because you believe that one should either sit and take it, or run away if they don’t like it. this is America man, right or wrong, We are not known for taking shit off of anyone, and shouldn’t take it off our own government for damn sure.
            that said, with how people like you let our police abuse citizens, how our government cares more for corp. profits then the health of the soldiers fighting in wars we shouldn’t be in, that our kids are becoming completely retarded because of religious fundamentalist that deny the facts and tell our kids that dinosaurs and man walked together while angels sang like the flintstones is a damn documentary….I am ashamed sometimes to be called an American. that Shame makes me fight harder to make that nationality mean something worth being proud of again, but there are far too few of us, and so many of you it seems…sometimes it feels like the fight won’t be worth it until the day soon, when they are rounding up people door to door, stealing homes and property…shit wait they already do that…well fuck yeah sometimes all hope is lost with you blind that lead the weak.

        • gr8H8er

          Please Sir, take a few moments each day and read The Federalist Papers and The Anti-Federalist Papers then turn to The Life of Patrick Henry Vol 1-3. Once you expand your understanding of the Framer’s concept of liberty, you will be outraged buy the State and disdain its minions. Remember, the SS were only doing their jobs.

        • Nancy

          I somewhat agre with you ,but I wouldn’t say this is an extremist conversation,I would say it’s more like people slinging mud at each other instead of trying to find a solution to the problems caused by our so-called government.Get back to the issues at hand instead of going all macho-maniacal here.

        • matthew Foley

          You were going 20 miles over the limit and you weren’t being reckless? Yeah…I call bullshit. If they let you go with a coke and a smile you was not 20 over the limit. Or your related to a cop.
          The rest of the public as you put it should be scared. They kill over 500 innocent people a year. More than insurgents kill in Iraq. They beat a hell of a lot more than that. They enter cars now if your not at your vehicle by breaking in and saying sorry you need to buy a new window and fix the damage yourself when they don’t find a thing.
          When someone has a boot on your throat you should be scared. And then get angry.
          Just last Monday I saw a kid no older then you have his nose broken by his head being slammed into the trunk of a cop car 4 times while he was cuffed already . 4 times! 110pds soaking wet and absolutely no threat what’s the call for that? His crime? Refusing to stop asking people downtown to sign a legitimate petition to legalize marijuana and another petition to give women equal rights in Oregon’s workforce.
          Yeah he was fucking John Dillinger man.

        • We heard a lot of “just doing my job/following orders” at Nuremberg, as well as any OTHER atrocity committed in the name of the state.

        • Malik Heru El-Shabbazz

          nobody joins the police the dept to protect and serve… in fact, when you say that… you need to say the WHOLE thing… “To serve and protect THE INTEREST OF THE STATE..” ie. government…

          people become police for the same reason people become soldiers to be able to control and create fear in the name of the State.

          you are naive or a police officer or a close relative of a police officer if you believe that crap.

          and for the people who try to argue that there are good police… i’ll say this.., the one cop you met who was nice to you, is an absolute asshole to 99% of the people after you…

          police are taught in the academy to treat everyone like a suspect – to view everyone as a potential threat when you are in uniform.

          if the police are so civic minded, why do they cluster in the same communities? why don’t they live in the communities where they patrol?

          you can believe the hype if you want to…

      • Charles Ashley

        Do you have any idea of what happens when a good cop stands up to the corrupted ones?
        There ARE good cops.
        There are cops that have been fired, killed, etc for standing up to the corrupt ones.
        So don’t say there are none because there most definitely are.

        • Matt Jenkins

          Thank you.

          • Charles Ashley

            I’m sorry but when people are so damn irrational to the point they want to stereotype, make accusations, discriminate, etc. I have to step in and say something. It’s ridiculous how ignorant people are.
            I understand opinions are opinions but when it comes to someone trying to state that it is fact without proof, it’s just pure idiocy.

          • Charles Ashley

            For those who disagree with me, I’d suggest you don’t come at me with your irrational ways of thinking. I will not be bullied, as I’ve just read in earlier comments. So, if you do decide to comment, there will be no response made to you.
            I’m simply a 22 year young man who does his best to have a full understanding before even attempting to make a remark or share my words.
            You may have experienced, witnessed it, read about, or heard about cops abusing others. I understand your concern and your reasoning for hating those kind of cops.
            However, hating or disliking a group of people based on what some or most of the group does or is associated with is called prejudice.
            Empathize.
            Respect.
            Be wise.

          • matthew Foley

            Then your opinion is bullshit. If you can’t provide sources to back it up, or won’t , then its just coffee table bullshit.
            Thats not bullying, I’m open to hearing what you got unlike this Jenkins punk you have the courage to at least publicly say what you feel, but when you speak publicly , especially in a group that obviously disagrees with you, be prepared to show reasons your opinion is valid

          • Charles Ashley

            Idiot

          • matthew Foley

            Insults are the arguement of weak minds. Or smoke screen. But your right, I gave you an opportunity to be heard out rationally you obviously just want attention and have absolutely nothing intelligent to say I’d be a fool if I continued to debate or give you that attention. So fuck off.

          • matthew Foley

            Have an opinion or shut up dude. Stop trolling and riding coat tails, contribute yourself or stop being a bitch

        • matthew Foley

          What can you base that on? Serious sources ? I own a production company and though I do films , I mostly do weddings, events,web series for clients, etc. In the last week 3 of my breaks from the office where I get stock footage downtown have been taken up instead filming police brutality that only ended because I yelled and made them aware I had a canon xl-1 and my boom mic guy aimed at them . two of those are currently being requested by defense attorneys for evidence I’m all too happy to hand over.
          I’ve had eye witness personal experiences, there are multiple daily occurrences of police abuse that are in legit news sources that back what I know and the facts …what do you have to present for your claims that backs them up with legitimate sourcing?

          • Charles Ashley

            Again, I said I will not respond to an irrational person. Don’t try to debate with me. It’s called common sense, use it.

          • Charles Ashley

            Not a debate or opinion if it’s based on common sense. So I leave the thread now. Have a good day and enlighten yourself.

          • matthew Foley

            Your philosophy is based on falacy there. Its not common sense when the facts are against you and your not willing or able to show where those debating you are wrong.
            You wanted an audience or you wouldn’t have jumped in so now you have one willing to hear what you have to say so let’s hear your side with your reasoning and source

          • matthew Foley

            Its not a debate if you won’t back up what you say its just you whining.
            I’m an open and rational person, I even admit when someone shows me some valid reason I’m wrong. I am willing to hear yours without insulting you for it. If you are willing to logically back it up.

          • djfoxglove

            Then let me speak in a language you can understand:your a fucking moron and have no evidence/proof to back anything you say,so you sir are a fucking asshat.

        • Jeff W.

          Yeah, the same thing that happens when they stand up to any other kind of violent criminal. It’s their job. Why do criminal cops get a pass from their associates? Should they not seek justice or arrest anyone else who poses as a violent threat either, considering that faulty logic.

        • Don Duncan

          The rare exceptions like Serpico prove the monopoly granted to the police is counter productive, i.e., not producing justice or protection. Good cops quickly realize they have to conform or quit. This leaves mainly the bad ones. All police in every country are like this. They have more in common with other police than their own countrymen. The same for rulers (leaders).

        • Casey Hindman

          Well, someone already said, “The only good cop is a dead cop”, so this reinforces that concept. So if a person is an actual productive member of society, they would know a bit about their prospective employers. People are aware that our laws are out of hand and sometimes corrupt to the core for the interest of big private business. What productive, sane, patriotic, person with abilities to empathize willingly and actively seeks employment with an entity that enforces these obvious injustices on otherwise productive members of society? That’s why I’m not a cop, and why I’m not in the military.

      • Corey Balbuena

        What you’re describing is called internal affairs. It is not a cop’s job to expose a dirty cop, that is the job of internal affairs. Get an education.

        • matthew Foley

          No it is there job to arrest someone they witness in the process of commiting a crime. Internal affairs is for investigating claims of abuse not currently in progress.
          You sir are lacking an education. But Thats okay I’m sure one day your cop buddies will unfortunately give you a crash course.

      • Ryan Hadden

        But you can be can be a good person as a judgemental prick? Here is the thing about that “it’s the mentality that you know what is right for society and you with your group of judgmental idiots can choose who lives and dies” sounds to me exactely like the police authority mindset you idealless posers claim to hate. What are you jealous, did you pick the wrong side and are bitter? Still doesn’t ENTITLE you decide others fate fucking fascist in disguise

        • matthew Foley

          Man there is nothing facist about judging someone based on their actions. That is the logical human response that we all do daily with people we meet. We notice their actions and character and judge them based on that.
          Its not a mentality of what one deems right or wrong…it’s what actually is right and wrong.
          Bullying and intimidating for a pay check innocent people weaker than you and beating or killing them when they don’t bow and comply to your authority is wrong. Rape is wrong. Sex with farm animals , as two this month were busted doing, Thats nasty and wrong. Whiping out your cock in a Starbucks and foaming your latte as a cop did recently…Thats disturbing to say the least and wrong.
          Society has a code of conduct we expect ALL members to follow . they are not polite suggestions, they are cut and dry things we will not tolerate abuse of. And you should be judged and held accountable when you behave in a way that violates that conduct, especially when you swear an oath to uphold those laws and enforce them.

      • Jennifer Sheffield

        So you are saying the men that selfishly ran into a hostile environment, not knowing if they would make it out alive to their own families or not, for ME, where bad people. The men and women that RESCUED me from abuse, rape, no food or electricity, horrible living condition and a drug user and distributor of a mother where bad people because your hurt you got a ticket? I’m sorry. I find you a disgusting coward hiding behind your computer screen screaming the second amendment You are a disgrace to the the country I am so proud to be a part of! I will FOREVER appreciate the men and women who serve and PROTECT! You may be upset that people are arrested for having drugs, while I rejoice! You know why? Drugs single handed destroyed my mother. Destroyed my family and cause MANY abusive moments in my life. You agree with it or not, drugs are illegal. “Cops” are just doing their jobs! They suit up every morning in hopes they can stop a wreck from happening by pulling that speeder over, they can save a child from abuse by answering that domestic dispute call, hope they can put a bad person behind bars so that the innocent remain innocent. You sir, are a coward. I dare you to watch your home be broken into while your wife and son are held a gun point and not call them for your aid. Let’s see how bad “cops” are then!!

        • David

          Nobody is saying that if you use drugs you can use that as an excuse for some other crime you commit (such as abusing a child.) So, maybe the cops did the right thing in your case. But, in so many other cases they don’t. And those times where a cop puts a murderer or rapits behind bars do not justify the times where they preemptively pull over a speeder because he might harm someone later, or a drug user because he might abuse his kids, etc.

          See the difference? THere’s a difference between locking someone up because of what he actually does, and locking him up because his actions might hurt somebody else but have never actually done so. The law does not make this distinction, it just makes the distinction between “legal” and “illegal.” Many cops thus think they are doing good because they enforce laws, they think they are keeping us safe. What they are really doing is acting as our oppressors. They are part of the problem and its not OK. Even still, I don’t want them all dead. I want to see repentance, particularly among churches (and I say this as an evangelical Christian) for making it out like this career is justified (and that goes for military too.)

      • petulantes

        Excuse me I stayed 12 years in a department, hoping to change things from the inside.. eventually gave up.
        I was not a thug, did not mistreat people. Gave everyone the same curtesy I expected back.
        But that was 10 years ago… there are decent people, but they are NOT in a position to change shit . Anymore than you can change who is president and who we go to war with this week !

        • matthew Foley

          So you saw the problem, tried to do what you could to fix it, and left when you couldn’t? Then your not a cop anymore because your a good person! Dude your like the perfect example of what I’m saying.
          Kudos to you for trying to change things from the inside , sorry it didn’t work out because there were not enough like you.

    • Jason Chrisite

      Now replace ‘cop’ with ‘nazi’ and try again.

      • Matt Jenkins

        That makes zero sense.

    • magormissabib

      there were no good nazis. there are no good cops. Youcant say Im just doing my job when you are willingly joining forces with a corrupt violent and greedy gang that daily violates their oath and the rights of the people they swore to defend.

      • Wrath Child

        Allow me to introduce you to Franz Stigler. A Nazi fighter pilot in WW2, and one kill away from obtaining his Iron Cross. He saw a B-17 Bomber flying over head and took off to intercept it. As he was about to squeeze the trigger and shoot down the plane he noticed it wasn’t returning fire. He moved alongside and realized the plane was barely staying airborne, One engine dead, a 2nd smoking heavily. He then signalled the pilot, Lt. Charlie Brown (no I’m not making that up, you can Google it), Stigler proceeded to escort the B-17 out of the Kill Zone, ensuring AA guns wouldn’t open fire on it. Once in the clear Stigler gave a brief salute to the pilot, then peeled away turning back to Germany. Had Stigler been seen, he would have been executed for allowing an enemy to escape. He later said he chose not to shoot down the plane because it was defenseless, it wasn’t in combat, and it would have amounted to murder. Years later Stigler and Brown reunited and became close friends. This is just ONE story proving that not ALL Nazis were evil

        • matthew Foley

          That proves not all Germans , or German soldiers, were Nazis….something most people already know.
          But did he speak out against the camps, you also made it clear he knew he wasn’t being watched….so there was no imediate consequences and he knew that.

          • Wrath Child

            He actually did NOT know he wasn’t being watched, there was no way to be sure flying at that alittude and focused on the B-17. He also had no way of knowing if the American pilot would say anything about it. Had word spread among the Allies, most assuredly word would have reached the Reich, and he’d have been found out rather quickly

          • Wrath Child

            And he flew for the Luftwaffe, which flew under the Nazi regime

          • matthew Foley

            Okay it flew under, not every soldier was a part of the Nazi party however. Many that were not committed acts of sabotage against what they saw as an oppressive government , many out right disobeyed orders at the cost of their lives. Those were good people who saw what the government was doing as wrong, and acted on it. Some even attempted to assassinate Hitler and his entourage , and came extremely close. Those were good people . they took their oath serious and held even those at the top to the same equal standard.
            Our cops do not do this. So yes in the words of Samuel L Jackson yes they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell.

          • Michael Smith

            He flew for the Luftwaffe, he wasn’t a good person. One good deed doesn’t negate all the fucked things you do otherwise.

          • matthew Foley

            And so he wasn’t seen by anyone, no witnesses, nothing…so all we have is his stories… And a pilot who’s plane was not in proper working order and at that altitude Im guessing he wasn’t exactly 100% in the recall ability with the situation around him.
            Doesn’t sound all that credible.
            And like others have said, even if it was, how many did he kill to get that close to an iron cross? 100? 1,000? Saving one doesn’t even that balance and only because there was no challenge to the fight? So had the plane been in proper working order or at least one gun…he would have blown him to hell. Thats not a good person, Thats pride and ego.

          • Don Duncan

            That’s misplaced allegiance. Every war since WWII has been illegal(unconstitutional) and immoral. And it was fought by soldiers who swore to defend the constitution. Those who died, did so for nothing honorable. But their ignorance and confusion is understandable when you examine the US early indoctrination system. All countries (rulers) do it. And most soldiers believe they are fighting to defend their way of life, the homeland. This insanity has to be exposed or we will never have peace.

          • matthew Foley

            i almost completely agree with you, except I would say that the Koreans would disagree that it ended at world war 2. i would also say that sometimes, protecting others that cannot do so themselves is something we should obligate ourselves to, like we did the in desert storm ( to a point, we should have finished that job) and like we should have done in Rwanda and Darfur.
            they are Human after all, and we should not be okay with sitting back when others suffer.

          • matthew Foley

            The american pilot by the way had no idea who the German pilot was but was ordered not to talk about it after he told commanding officers about it so that positive sentiments which would effect the ability to do their jobs would no be held about the enemy

        • KAi BhavinPatel

          So he spared a few life after he killed 10’s or 100’s of the enemy forces? Sounds like a saint to me.

          • Wrath Child

            You’re a moron if the gravity of what he did escapes you. As he mentioned in an interview, this was different than combat. In combat it’s a fair fight, two adversaries fighting each other, and as fighter pilots you knew there was a chance you’d die in combat. This wasn’t combat, it wasn’t a fair fight. As Stigler put it, “It would have been the same as shooting a guy in a parachute” (something both sides viewed as dis-honourable and cowardly). He recognized the difference, that this wasn’t combat, there was no threat, therefore there was no need to kill them.

            Also most pilots in WW2 didn’t actually attempt to “kill” the enemy pilots. Both Nazi and Allied pilots focused more on disabling the enemy fighter and forcing the pilot to eject. To them victory didn’t necessarily mean “kill”

          • magormissabib

            yes, cause all the women, children and old men jews were a thread. wth you gotta have a screw loose if you start defending nazis.

          • Wrath Child

            Fighter pilots had no interaction with women, children or old men, as I wouldn’t imagine there were too many of them flying fighter planes in the sky over Germany. What you’re referring to are actions that were almost entirely carried out by members of the SS, which was Hitler’s personal military group that was just as bat shit crazy as he was. Again most of the soldiers, sailors, pilots fighting for Germany in the war disagreed with some if not most of Hitler’s ideas, however it was really only the officers further up the chain who began to see Hitler’s true atrocities. Most of the common soldiers believed Hitler was leading them against the great enemy, and based off of WW1 most people in Germany had good reason to view the Russians as the bad guys. Hitler was crazy but not stupid…he knew if it became common knowledge what he was doing, he would lose the support and morale of most if not all of the army which is why mostly only his inner circle, the Nazi leadership and the SS, were the ones who knew what was going on in the concentration camps etc.

          • matthew Foley

            Are you fucking serious? Do you honestly believe that? Work the logistics of that for me so I understand your logic.
            Around 20 million died in the camps, plus the survivors …how is it that only the S.S. could handle the arrest, detainment, transport, and disposal of that many people while at the same time also needing to run and monitor the POW camps, among their other duties ?
            Did the Nazi Youth help out that much?
            By the way many in the camps worked to build the missiles and weapons that the military used against the allies..the military would have had direct contact with these slaves, many of the equipment pieces needed the small hands of women and children to operate properly meaning they absolutely had contact with women and children.
            Not all Germans were bad evil people but anyone that knew about that shit, and did nothing, scum of the earth.
            So please explain to me how an overwhelming group of minorities were not able to put Hitler in his place if it was just the few S.S. that had anything to do with it.

          • Don Duncan

            It all starts with the worship of authority. When asked why they got in the boxcars whose loading was arranged by their Rabbis, yes, their own Rabbis, the Jews replied: “We wanted to prove we were good German citizens first, before we were Jews.” They wanted to assist the war effort.

            How is this attitude different from Americans who send off their boy & girls to war, trusting it is justified because the authorities say a little third world pip squeak has “weapons of mass destruction”? Over a million Iraqis killed for a lie and all the American MSM can talk about is the Americans who died. Do the American people feel guilty for the lies of their president? Do they know Bush & company can’t travel to many countries because they have been convicted of war crimes? Violating international law?

          • matthew Foley

            this is utter bullshit. I have interviewed 20 survivors, some were family and friends. you would be better off being a denier than to speak this utter horseshit. Rabbis did not facilitate the movement and transport by any fucking means. our own belief system does not allow this. it is an afront to Hashem to protect your own life if it means the death of a brother or sister Jew. they would never have sold their soul to be good germans. source that shit. there is plenty of documented interviews where jews were lined up and had three pulled forward, told if they renounced their faith they would live and the rest would die, they choose to die with their brethren rather then survive at their cost.
            now the Jehovah witnesses absolutely were willing to do just as you said, as they took their pacifist bullshit so far they would snitch off those in hiding and go to the chambers like lambs to the slaughter.
            and name these countries. I agree they commited war crimes, but bullshit any nation is actually denying a former leader of this country, stolen election and illegitimate as it was, into their nation or even considering detaining him. no fucking way do they want to do what would be considered an act of war with a nation that openly foams at the mouth at the idea of kicking the shit out of anyone that looks at them sideways.
            we act like a drunk at the bar wishing a mother fucker would start shit so we can fight. we instigate shit so we have a reason. no way does a sane country actually take the bait that directly.

            when you spew this level of uneducated shit, it makes all of us look bad. if you cannot do the research and think for yourself then you should shut the fuck up and let the grown ups talk, because you just insult the dead with this jewish bigotry bullshit. there are families that were torn apart, suffer still, and your just continuing that shit with crap like this.

          • Don Duncan

            When I “spew” I speak that of which I have direct knowledge. I have seen the documentaries where survivors testify. They are more recent. It must have been considered “insensitive” to ask such questions as: “Why did you give in to the Nazis?” in earlier docs. But I always wondered why so few resisted, why so few “Warsaw Ghetto Resistance” battles. It has bothered me for 60 years. I also wondered why Native Americans didn’t put up a better fight. I have been collecting the data for a lifetime and I found it is a very complex social situation. Here are facts: 1. 25% of Jews got out. 2. Some that stayed had done so because they did not have the courage to venture into a new culture, leaving friends & family behind. They recognized somewhat of a danger, but had rationalized that, in their own words, “better the evil we know than a new evil we may find.” Also, we evaluate their decision to stay in retrospect, hindsight. For example, when the Rabbis organized the “relocations” they thought it was to support the war effort in work camps.

            Their mistaken faith in their govt. is universal. It is a common mistake. The myth of govt. as protector has been and continues to be the most dangerous superstition mankind has ever fallen victim to. Ayn Rand called it, “The sanction of the victim.”

            I speak truth to empower the individual so that this fatal faith in govt. will end. If it does not end, neither will “Holocausts”.

          • matthew Foley

            Yeah they had such fucking honor. Tell that to the Jews, Jehovah witnesses, gypsies , etc. In the camps…oh wait you can’t because they gassed them, bashed babies heads in with boot heels, forced mothers into sexual acts to then be denied extra food for their kids.
            Hell they even raped, tortured then fed French underground females alive to German Shepherds ….yeah they had a code of ethics and conduct alright.
            Most likely he did not have the shot, or missed, and not wanting to admit that he missed a stalled out jet, came up with this bullshit story no one could deny.
            By the way…the Japanese proved a jet in ww2 can be extremely dangerous without weapons or the ability to stay in flight, you just ram that jet up your enemies ass

          • Wrath Child

            He was a pilot for the Luftwaffe, not an officer in the SS. The SS were the ones mainly responsible for carrying out the atrocities in the concentration camps, while the rest of the soldiers in the Reich were out on the field in combat. The SS were Hitler’s personal fighting force, and they were all pretty much fucked up. They served as Hitler’s protection which is why Operation Valkyrie included them to be arrested along with the Nazi leadership.

            Most of the pilots, soldiers, sailors, etc. of the German army had nothing to do with the concentration camps or what even took place inside them.

          • matthew Foley

            Utter horseshit. No way that many people are rounded up, used to build war machines for the military , transported, detained , and murdered without the ones accepting the weapons they are making being involved .
            They absolutely had contact , interaction, and involvement.with deplorable behavior like that, there is no mainly responsible there is fucking did it or you stood against it. No middle ground you don’t kinda torture rape and murder people , you either participate or you don’t.

          • Don Duncan

            By that logic, you must be responsible for all the torture by the CIA, FBI, and army special forces. Your taxes made it possible.

          • matthew Foley

            We are responsible to a degree for what is done in our name with our money, and if we do nothing about it we deserve the consequences of that behavior.
            but their is a big difference between tax dollar representation of which we are a distant 300 million part of, and direct involvement which they had. big difference.

          • Don Duncan

            That is exactly the same argument the German people made after WWII.

            They(German Jews also) gave a moral blank check to their govt. and when it was cashed they suffered death and destruction. They explained that they didn’t know what the Nazis were doing.

            All the more reason to not concentrate your power in a ruling elite. We are playing the same game and paying: 911, Waco, overflowing prisons, police state, welfare/warfare state. This is the tip of the iceberg. Your individual support is inconsequential, but multiply it by 300+ million.

            The “direct involvement” people would not have any power/money without us. Like in Nazi Germany, many of worst may escape the coming social collapse while those of us who say “what can i do?” get left holding the bag.

          • KAi BhavinPatel

            So that justifies the lives they took “accidentally”?

        • magormissabib

          you know youre off your rocker when you start defending Nazis.

          • Wrath Child

            Let me guess you read the word Nazi and rushed to make a comment without reading the whole thing? I’m not defending the Nazi regime as a whole, but there are specific individuals who either stood against or act against the general cause of Hitler’s regime, and those individuals deserve credit.

            You’re never going to see anyone writing anything to defend Jozef Gerbels, or most if not all of the SS. But there were some that stood against Hitler, prominent figures like Irwin Rommel who was commander of the Ghost Division, and it was said he hated Hitler more than any Allied enemy he met on the field of battle

          • Don Duncan

            The Rommel story is sad. So is the Von Braun story. It shows how a good, rational person can serve evil. They are representative of the working class German people who voted in the Nazis. They just wanted security after the runaway inflation and WWI. So they bought their “national security” with their freedom and … Americans: learn anything?

          • matthew Foley

            Von Braun? okay that is documented that he was a dedicated supporter of Hitler and the Nazi party. he absolutely was the Evil you claim he served. He wasn’t the sweetheart October Sky made him out to be, he was a disgusting human being who should have been on trial just like the others, except like the other Nazis we excused the behavior of, he had something we needed. we, the american people sold our souls the day we let Nazis into our country to benefit from the atrocities they commited ( many of our nerve gases came from what was tested in the camps) while trying to keep our own hands clean.

        • matthew Foley

          I stand corrected. I looked it up, he wasn’t up for an iron cross you got that wrong he was 1 kill away from a knights medal but okay. 22 confirmed kills by that point , and he was told by a commanding officer when fighting earlier in north Africa had any of them been caught attacking an enemy that couldn’t fight back they would be shot by that commander himself ..self preservation. Not very heroic.
          Charlie Brown had been fired upon for 10 minutes strait up to that point, and he did attempt to bring the plane down and have browns crew sent to a pow camp.
          Your facts are a bit lacking to not also mention he went on to receive quite a nice sum of money off the book he wrote about the incident and the film made about it.

          • Wrath Child

            If it was no big deal why then did Charlie Brown and the men who were on his crew hold a dinner to honor Stigler’s act of mercy? But it’s comments like yours that prove that it’s all or nothing…every group is painted with the same brush. I’m sure you’re the type that believes every Muslim in the world is a terrorist and was somehow responsible for 9/11 am I right? If you bother to actually pay attention to history you’d find that there were a fair number of soldiers and officers within the Nazi regime that not only disagreed with Hitler, but wanted him gone. Operation Valkyrie was proof of that (and had it been successful, more than likely Germany would have won WW2 as Hitler would have been replaced with a leader who was more interested in military strategy than wiping out Jews). Irwin Rommel who was the commander of the Ghost Division tank batallion absolutely HATED Adolf Hitler, and in the quiet circles made it known he would do anything that was needed to rid Germany of Hitler.

            But back to Stigler, his commanding officer in North Africa is the same one who told him “Do not fight by the rules of war of your enemy, fight by your own rules of war”, which meant that his pilots weren’t supposed to see everything as black and white, he told them to fight by their own rules as a way of maintaining their humanity. However Stigler’s commanding officer in N.Africa wasn’t the one comanding him on December 20th in 1943. And in the Reich the penalty for allowing an enemy to escape was a court martial and most likely execution.

          • matthew Foley

            Actually I know quite a few Muslims who read the Koran and know it isn’t a call to terrorism, good guys all of them.
            But a Nazi was a fucking Nazi. Mein Kompf wasn’t preaching peace and coexistence, it wasn’t preaching mercy. And cite that shit about Rommel because he agreed with Hitler in at least one aspect, his hatred of the Jews.
            Its no big deal that he allowed one plane to go by because it held no challenge, because he had already killed the crews of 22 others before he decided to let that one go. Not even close to equal.
            Again as many have told you here already German military was not necessarily Nazi, there were Zero good Nazis. It was almost religious that party , and that religion preached hatred and genocide . if you worship hatred and genocide…your most likely not Mary Poppins

        • Aimee R. Van Selow

          There is a difference between an actual Nazi and a member of the German Armed Forces of WWII. 😉

          • Matt Jenkins

            Most people are too stupid and uneducated to know that. They think the SS and the Germany army are the same thing. They don’t realize that Germany did not want the war and that high ranking NAZI officers attempted to kill Hitler.

          • matthew Foley

            and you continue that ignorance with posts like this. the German people had no problem with the war, they did however have an issue with some of the other crap.
            there also was a big difference between German and Nazi, but none between S.S. and Nazi. Nazi was a political party, you could be German and not a Nazi, the S.S. however was almost entirely ( exception was honorary members) Nazi party members.
            your right that it was not S.S. that attempted to kill hitler, but they also were not members of the nazi party, and those that were left the party before hand.
            you make a good statement here, but it is better when your facts are strait,

      • Peter Heisenberg

        if you still believe the public school, spielberg version of ww2 then sure…

      • Matt Jenkins

        magormissabib, you don’t even know what a “Nazi” is. So your argument from the start is just verbal vomit.

        • matthew Foley

          And what is a Nazi then? Your running your mouth to defend cops and cop lovers but you haven’t done anything but insult people giving their views you have yet to state your own views.
          Have the balls to put up or shut the fuck up

        • magormissabib

          oh Ok,. I thought I knew what a nazi is.

          loser.

    • Andy Shambaugh

      The evils done by someone “just doing their job” is far worse than the evils done by anyone else. Not only are they doing evils, but they do it in the name of someone else, and for profit. Police are mercenaries for the State.

    • Hush Hillstreet

      im sure there were good waffen-SS members…

      • matthew Foley

        You mean that sarcastically right? You don’t actually think there were good ones right?

    • Mitch Mitchell

      No, he is right, there is no such thing as a good cop. IF there was, he/she would arrest the bad cops and that does not happen. Thus there is no such thing as a good cop.

      • Matt Jenkins

        Grow up moron.

        • matthew Foley

          seriously? the peewee herman arguement? ” I know you are but what am i?” seriously? are you actually able to say anything besides moron, or is it like lil john and no one taught you how to do anything but insult people with more intelligence than you show?

    • Don Duncan

      Trying to fight evil while being a part of it is futile. No matter how good a person starts out, the system will change him before he changes it. And it happens so subtly that he often is unaware of his morality being compromised. We don’t need that system or any more good people to be corrupted by it.

    • Rework Oh Ryan

      When the “good” cops start arresting the bad ones, I’ll believe they exist.

    • Dave Brabant

      there are no good cops left the bad out weighs the good ten fold fucking shoot em all you got a pack of dogs where 75
      % have rabies what are you gonna do? SHOOT THE WHOLE PACK…….

    • Robert Sanchez

      “doing his job.”

      Thats the point. They are just doing their jobs for money, they don’t care about human rights.

    • Kyle Willey

      If you cash a check from a corrupt system that comes from extorted tax dollars from people they are supposed to serve but instead persecute…there is no good cop. That is the whole Nazi following orders song and dance. Sure there may have been a Nazi you could talk to and have a good time, but he was still a fucking Nazi.

    • draybrownz

      You are either a bad cop OR one of those “good cops” that keep quiet when bad cops are doing their thing which makes you a coward cop which is worse.

    • Matt Bonfadini

      Steven, good men can choose a different career. Being a cop is a choice, and it is a choice to participate in a system designed to prey upon the citizens. The system cannot be fixed from the inside! So, I am inclined to agree with Mr. Cantwell, there are no good cops!

    • Inconsistencies

      It’s a cop’s job to steal from you; your money, your property, your dignity, your life. It’s what they do. There are no good cops.

  • Adam William Majkowski

    None of us are going to shoot unless we are backed into a corner. The more people are laid off with no way to get another job or if they do get a job it’s with a 90% cut in pay, the more shootings there will be. When someone has nothing to lose, that someone has a high chance of doing something desperate and crazy. Usually it winds up just taking from a supermarket and being too hungry to care about security, then winding up in a prison camp. Many times, as we are finding out, people who spend 1 to 3 years watching their life saving dwindle down to nothing, choose to spend that last thousand on guns and ammo to lash out at those thought to be most responsible or easily gotten to. I am 100% positive that our lack of adequate social services for the poor is our problem. That is why people are not killing each other in other nations. In other nations, they have guaranteed health care, guaranteed a home, they are safe. They do not have to worry about starving on the street and being laughed at. This has always been a great risk in our crappy nation, but the reason we are feeling it now more than ever is, in a word, Republicanism. Republican controlled government since the 1970’s has destroyed our social programs which were never adequate in the first place compared to other nations. So, yes, free hand outs are the answer. What do you hate more? Hand out to the poor? Or mass shootings? I know you are a hater, but you need to prioritize your hate. What do you really hate the most? Besides me.

    • Joseph Kaminski

      what !! are you living on earth…..entitlements are the problem what are you talking about, you believe In more government I get that from you post so in turn we can agree on nothing. you will be numbered and put out to pasture to pay off the debt your vote has created .

      • Adam William Majkowski

        You say entitlements are a problem, but then you say that we will be numbered and put into permanent debt. So which is it? Are we going to get the things we are entitled to have as human beings? Or are we going to be republicanized and enslaved? Can’t have both. As it stands now, we are all enslaved to a few families who control everything. They set the prices of food and of wages. They control your every move. The name of the they is Koch. Morgan. Walton. Those are your masters. They have brainwashed you into hating people who are poor. Wake up.

  • Mark Burker

    I agree with what Mr. Blanco has said. My brothers life was taken by a local POS cop, but some of them watched us grow up in our community, and their hearts ached with ours. I hated the cops when they took my best friend. And harboring that kind of anger is a waste. You have to understand, cops are people. Some are sincere, some are greedy corrupt assholes, and some have real passion and respect for what theu were sworn to so and for our rights as a community. Its mouthu self righteous assholes that feed the frenzy of “all cops are bad”. Those cops that were killed were fathers, brothers, sons, and meant something to someone. I will mourn for them. They are a parr of our country. I hope your child becomes an officer of the law, Mr. Cantwell. Grow the fuck up. They bleed like us.

    • matthew Foley

      I hope they do bleed like us..when they refuse to hold their buddies to their oath, and arrest them when they do, they deserve to die.
      And let’s face it this ain’t flipping burgers. It takes a particular kind of mental illness to do a job that requires you to abuse, intimidate, and miss treat your fellow human beings. Not every human can do that. These gang members have a particular kind of mental illness, a posionious one that we shouldn’t have to be victims of just because a few of our fellow victims have Stockholm syndrome to their abusers.

    • Andy Shambaugh

      Oppression of the masses is not a career choice good people make. Cops are simply mercenaries for the State.

  • coleman larson

    The first to say to say the word is always the last to make the move. Pussy.

  • Just visiting

    This guy is a fucking lunatic

  • matthew Foley

    Bravo man. I completely agree. For those that argue the violence part with you, the answer should be one gunman won’t do a thing….it’s when hundreds of us are willing to start the ball going.

  • brazi

    To Cantwell and the rest of you jerkoff losers, why don’t you go to a real police state for awhile? Then you can see what tyrannous cops really are like. Advocating and supporting killing cops? Why don’t you tough guys bring it? Coward keyboard warriors. Hope you all die, and if it’s from a cops gun, I’ll be celebrating heartily. Pieces of filth.

    • David Phillips

      The Statists are feeling particularly violent today.

      • brazi

        The losers are feeling quite dickish today. Quick! go put more tin foil in your backwoods shack. I hear a helicopter coming.

        • David Phillips

          Why am I a loser?

          • brazi

            You’re the one celebrating cops being murdered. I’m a Statist because I know the tragedy of cops being ambushed and killed? It’s an attack on all society, including you morons. It’s called being a “Human”. Fathers without kids? Wives without husbands? Parents without sons and you’re happy? That, my friend, is called being a “loser”.

          • David Phillips

            I’m celebrating? Hardly. I’m certainly indifferent but I can’t say that the violence brings me joy.

          • brazi

            The truly sad part is, those cops, whose murder you’re celebrating, would have died protecting you if it came down to it.

          • David Phillips

            The police do not die to protect people. That is a sad myth.

          • brazi

            You, Sir, are truly an idiot. Put down the Anarchist Cookbook and see the real world. Plenty of cops have died and gotten hurt while protecting others.

          • David Phillips

            You are accusing me of having an “Anarchist Cookbook” because I am able to think for myself? I am the idiot here?

          • brazi

            No. I accuse you of having the book because of your posts. And yes, you are. With all respect.

          • David Phillips

            Accusing someone of possessing the Anarchist Cookbook is right up there with telling people to wear tin foil to protect from mind control rays. With all due respect, of course.

          • Tstament

            No, what it came down to is they died protecting their pizza. Don’t pretend to know the hearts of those cops and what they would have done. You’re blind faith leaves you ignorant of the truth.

          • brazi

            No, they died eating pizza. How come you can pretend to know the hearts of the cops and what they have done but I can’t? I guess they can’t be good family men, earning a check to feed their family? And spare the usual “Agent of the State” Rhetoric. This is far from Nazi Germany.

          • David Phillips

            Why would you assume that they are good family men? I assume that a learned individual such as yourself knows that they are more likely to beat their family members than the average Citizen…

          • brazi

            Why would you assume they weren’t? Because they took a job you don’t agree with? So because some are bad, let’s paint them all with the same brush, right?

          • David Phillips

            I never assumed one way or the other. I am simply providing a counter-point to your blind worship.

          • brazi

            I have no blind worship, unlike the sycophants who are praising your boy Cantwell. I just know the real world from experience.

          • David Phillips

            Why is he “my boy”? I have never met him. I very well may not like him at all if I knew him in person.

          • brazi

            You apparently share the same warped values. You bothseem to be cut from the same cloth.

          • David Phillips

            We may agree on some things and not on others. You are the one making all of the assumptions here.

          • kindbuddy

            Maybe. I wouldn’t bet on it though. All I know is a cop has never helped me. Not once. I have got an assload of tickets, been arrested for a half ounce of weed, and been harassed while doing nothing MANY times.

  • Robert Gough

    People you miss the point. By working within the state you endorse it. By endorsing the state you are not hindering its actions against others. At best you are an enabler, at worst; you pull the trigger, order a family torn apart, or sentence someone to debt. All, because of an out-date, ill-conceived, money-centered freakshow of greed. There is no, “I was ignorant to what was going on,” anymore. By working for the State you support its actions against others.

  • Robert Gough

    Ridiculousness at best. Stand up and show how for liberty you are by dying Chris. Yeah, because that would accomplish so much for the cause, it would help plan and disseminate information and knowledge to people. You miss the point of the article because you think with your feelings. Change every mention of any cop to “Agent of the state.”

  • Jason Chrisite

    “I’m used to seeing pro-unfettered-gun rhetoric on a mass shooting post. I guess I thought nobody would stoop to pro-murder rhetoric.” – Typical American.

  • Carburetors and Freedom

    Strongly disagree with the statement that killing of all cops is justified and that there is “no such thing as a good cop”. First hand experience working for a local pd contractor in CA for many years, I can tell you that between 30-40% are good moral people capable of understanding the NAP. And guess what? These are the people I would personally hire if law enforcement was privatized under a free market. Is it absolutely pathetic that good cops are the minority? ya, but even 30% makes for a large group of people. So if you have such contempt for cops, what about the military? Surely they can be seen as much more blatant aggressors? Why not kill your friend and ex marine Adam Kokesh or maybe the Oathkeepers as a group should be targeted? Maybe I should be targeted also for contracting with the state? I say we need to spread consciousness to those in uniform so this transition will be as peaceful as possible… something Adam did well in a recent talk with an LAPD officer at a checkpoint.

    • Uncanny Valley

      Uh no

      Until the “good cops” start arresting the multitudes of unambiguously bad ones, there are no good cops.

      There may be some who are only evil by their complicity in a system full of sociopaths who kill people’s pets for fun, but they are still evil.

      The only good cop I know about was Christopher Dorner.

    • David Phillips

      By all means. Let the commencement begin where the moral policeman of high character arrest and jail the criminals masquerading in their ranks. Why does it not happen? Pensions are on the line. Rocking the boat is frowned upon.

      • Wrath Child

        So just to be clear, you believe citizens should walk around killing police officers at random? That’s your platform?

  • locsphere

    Excuse ,me? “The good news is two cops are dead?” Are you for real? Police officers are people and they are trying to do things that some not all people want.

    They have to deal with the crying mother when an irresponsible motorist was speeding in and out of traffic and kills their son. The solution is to ticket people.

    People have seen the harsh effects of drug addiction. Heroin and cocaine. Police constantly have to go to houses where people over does only to see a crying spouse or family member. So they get tough on the drugs including weed. Prohibition didn’t work and we’re waking up to that.

    The fact you are praising the death of anybody. ANYBODY AT ALL undermines your message and the liberty movement. You are blaming the people who are tasked with protecting people and not the people making these laws or the morons that push for them.

    Get a job working a dispatch position and do some ride along before you go and crap on the thankless job that is being a police officer. See what they have to deal with in these counter drug units. Parents on Meth letting their kids fend for themselves. All it takes is some personal responsibility and not doing the drug. There’s two sides to it of course. The drug user and the power of addiction and the person who must witness you actions and come deal with you because you needed to escape for a while. Or listen to your crying mother as you lay dead from an overdose.

    • David Phillips

      You’ve got one thing right. They are trying to do things that not all people want. You could not pay me enough to detain people and write citations for silly reasons under the auspices of “protecting society”.

      • locsphere

        Go do a ride along then in Chicago pussy, face what you hate instead of sitting behind a computer screen complaining about police officers. GO have to stick Narcain up some kids nose because he can’t get over his addiction. Go do there job for a day just one day! I know unlike the author your probably not suffering from diabetes.

        So sick of this, no matter where I go in politics there is always some whiny cry baby. What happened you?.Got bullied by a police officer when you were doing STUPID things as a kid? So instead of taking responsibility you blamed the state and the police. Maybe you did get a dick cop as I have met a few that wouldn’t know discretion if it kicked them in the balls. Or had to deal with some ridiculous ego. But there are good cops out there. Heck do a job for dispatch even and see what its like to handle calls from the public.

        No one should be harmed unless it as of utter last resort. If the State goes totalitarian yes we will have to stand against it, Right now we’re in a stage where the public opinion still matters to some degree. We can still effect change.

        • David Phillips

          Why would I do that? You think I want to be dropped off in the middle of the battlefield in their Drug War? I’ll put an end to their Drug War while guys like you wave your flags and call for more and more firepower.

          • locsphere

            OF course Ive read your comments, any time someone recommends something that might be able to put you in the other persons shoes for just a second you say. “Why would I do that when I can” etc etc. SO I know, you can’t do it. You won’t do it because it gives you perspective and information on the other side of it and what those people go through.

            Plus you don’t know me, what is a guy like me? Someone that values all life? That think each person has a family member or loved one. The fact that because of some A hole their kids won’t see their Dad? Their Uncle? Their dead and you can’t even do a ride along to put yourself in their shoes and why everyone hates their thankless job.. Just sitting at home reading articles that further your hatred for something you know nothing about. Can’t do the ride along with police officers? What about an EMT? Tag along with those guys for a night.

            I don’t need firepower because I don’t want to hurt anyone. I just want people to take responsibility for their actions and quit blaming everybody else for their problems.

            Go ahead whats your next why would I do that when you can response. Value ALL life, ALL people, but stand against corruption and stand for truth by taking in all information not just what you agree with.

          • David Phillips

            Why would you dare me to do a ride along in Chicago? I know exactly what you were saying. You were implying that the police were battling criminals and saving society. You demonstrate inability to analyze the overall situation. One must ask why there is so much “crime” in Chicago. The answer will inevitably lead to prohibition and “illegal substances” that society has dispatched armed agents to engage in warfare with. And you feel the burden is on me to ride along with it? I think not.

          • locsphere

            I said nor implied any of that, I just want you to see what they go through as people and the stress they endure. Why they might be tough on people with drugs. When you see loss of life because of an OD when you see families ruined because of drunk drivers. A parent who abuses their kid.

            I think some of its dumb when it comes to the war on drugs. But I said none of what you just typed. You assumed it and projected what you were feeling into the conversation. That’s how you feel not me.. The last part I agree with. I don’t think the war on drugs is working either. but your saying all cops are scum and are bad. When they’re a ton of good police officers who care about the constitution and their community. But there are some people who will not take responsibility for themselves.

            Seriously, just try one ride along and interview them. You have cut yourself off from taking in information and there is no wisdom there. If you don’t like cops that much see about maybe a ride internship at a hospital or get EMT certified. Check with the firefighters.

          • David Phillips

            Does Chicago P.D. conscript its agents? Not at all. They offer money to people who are willing to take up arms against their fellow Citizens to enforce prohibition laws.

          • matthew Foley

            I guess the next revolution should start in Chicago with you hoss.

        • matthew Foley

          cops don’t stick narcain up someones nose, your taking credit for what EMTS do now stop it! you interfere with firemen when they are saving lives now you want to take the credit from real heroes. this your statement right here is what makes people fucking hate you go cry to your cop buddies then tell them to kiss the service barrel and pull the trigger serpico. leave the life saving to those that actually do it and don’t ask for the thanks your stealing from them. fucking pig piece of shit…fucking kill yourself seriously. your fucking scum shit. I buried heroes that you wouldnt deserve to lick the taint of you fucking cunt

    • matthew Foley

      I have done ride alongs, as a film director to get an idea of how my actors should respond to situations like homicide scenes. ive also seen the abuses many of them perform. if the job is so thankless they are welcome to give it to someone who will keep the oath they swear.

  • Ryan Hart

    Violence is NOT the answer. Men have tried to fight violence with violence since the beginning and has it ever helped to progress society? Nope. I DO think that there are -a lot- of corrupt police officers, but I sincerely believe nobody deserves to die. All life is sacred, despite the life they lived.

    The way to fight oppression is to hold EVERYONE accountable for their own actions, despite what costume or shiny piece of metal they have pinned to their over shirt. If you’re not imposing on anyone else’s freedom you should be allowed to live your life the way you want.

    This was a pointless, and tragic loss of lives. My sincerest condolences to every one of their families.

    • David Phillips

      Why is it that the police often initiate violence against people? It certainly appears to be their answer often enough.

      • Wrath Child

        Cause people like you want them murdered lol

        • David Phillips

          So you concede my point that police initiate the violence with Citizens. I thank you.

        • matthew Foley

          you admit it good. but thats a piss poor excuse. lets start a fight with someone that wants to kill us, so we have an excuse to kill them when they protect themselves.
          hey better idea? don’t start none and there won’t be none!!! maybe if they didn’t instigate shit in the first place people wouldn’t hate them for it.

          • Wrath Child

            First of all it should be pretty obvious that was a sarcastic answer, but I’ll assume all sarcasm is lost on you.

            The point is do I “support” police brutality or abuse of power? No. But when we start trying to rationalize and say it’s OKAY to go around randomly murdering people because of the uniform they’re wearing, our soceity is reaching a spot where we’re losing our fucking minds. Cause once you start celebrating and rationalizing murder as being okay or even good you can’t set a limit on it. You can’t say “well it’s okay to murder these people…but not these”, that argument is gone because you’re saying that cold blooded murder is a good thing. Now soceity is free to arbitrarily decide who’s next? Maybe it’s bankers cause some bankers steal money. So now it’s okay to murder cops AND bankers. And then let’s add lawyers too…cause they’re dirty sometimes, okay fine. But what about used car salesmen…they ripped me off just like the banker…well okay them too…and so on and so on.

          • matthew Foley

            I agree that murdering someone for just the uniform is wrong, however self defense when they are abusing you or others should be completely justified uniform or not?
            Sarcasm is a specialty of mine, and not lost on me, but this time yes it was, because your pervious statements are so like it, that it does not come off sarcastic

      • matthew Foley

        because they have small dick syndrome lol! seriously though they start shit so they can feel justified when you fight back killing you. in reality though if they would just stop starting shit, people would not be inclined to finish what they start. problem would be solved, but they arent known for being problem solvers, my niece figures out those blocks that go in the same shaped holes faster then they figure out where the nearest donut shop is

    • Uncanny Valley

      Of course it has, the vast majority of the substrate of today’s modern technological boom was built so that we could win WW2 or the cold war.

      Violence is not only good social policy, it often generates humanitarian externalities that exceed its original toll on life.

      • Ryan Hart

        Violence wasn’t NEEDED for technology to become advanced; it just so happened that there was a war going on and advanced technology was needed in order to put an end to it.

        • matthew Foley

          thats assuming. there is no way to know that, because it didnt happen that way. the rockets that get us to space first bombed the shit out of england. IBM developed the identification system that was later used directly to tattoo concentration camp victims. maybe it would have developed without violence, but we will never know that for sure because violence is what brought that boom around.

    • matthew Foley

      tell that to the family of the girl here in salem they shot in the back then let a k9 unit drag her corpse around like a chew toy, I am sure they would disagree about how well peaceful protest works with bullies.
      we tell our kids that the way to handle a bully is to stand your ground and defend yourself so why as adults is it such a hard concept to grasp that white collar, tank top, or police uniform, someone is risking your life or well being, you kick the shit out of them until it stops.

  • Robert Gough

    So identifying an actor in our reality that possesses a position of opposition to life and liberty, possesses power and authority over the populace and uses it to kill and maim and torture all of its people on a daily basis shouldn’t be advocated against? The countless millions of people that have died in wars over the last 200 years of imperialism would disagree. The families of the worlds largest prison system would disagree with that.

  • superduckz

    A clever and provocative argument. It’s a shame you can’t just make “100 percent” of the argument instead of going 10% too far. In the end, your calculus is utterly lacking in humanity, humility and civilized decency.

    I can also say (as a rebellious libertarian son of a retired 23 year homocide investigator) that it’s basic overstatement is factually incorrect. I’m sure this won’t slow you down of course. It’s apparent that you’ve built a brilliant lattice work of cold crystal logic to support your position which in the end has made you a bit of a narcisist, enamored with your own infallible wit and cold flawed logic. But I’ll keep reading you. Clever logic is a rare occurence these days. Even when it goes too far.

    • Robert Gough

      So, to whom do you think this article was written. Do you think it isn’t “going to far” on purpose because people flock to shock value. Cold, clever logic yourself. Any actor of any opposition that is working day in and day out for the reduction of your life and liberty shouldn’t be called out and criticized for enabling the atrocities the state has wrought upon the people of earth. Being able to see past the shock and read the critical arguments is a skill maybe go back to school and learn to distinguish persuasive writing techniques.

  • Michael Sullivan

    I hate the police, but call me crazy, call me what ever you want. I’m not going to go out and start randomly killing police anytime soon. It wouldn’t amount to anything but my death anyway and it’s not going to start an uprising either. I think this man and woman proved that. That kind of thing is their fight (meaning the state). They’re good at it. It’s just not a good strategy. It’s the idiots plan to change things and I don’t fancy myself an idiot.

    • David Phillips

      We’ll find out soon enough what the Police did to these folks to send them over the edge.

      • Michael Sullivan

        Yeah, but you know what? We are all being oppressed. I’m just saying that it’s not a good strategy to go around randomly killing cops. Violence may be needed at some point, but it’s too early for that. Until there is enough people who think that killing a cop is justified, it’s pointless to do so. People have arrived at a point where they think it’s okay for the police to do what they do. Like it’s normal. We need people to understand that it’s not. That is the first step, and we are not there yet.

        • David Phillips

          Ultimately, incidents like this only serve to take more freedom away from people and condition the general Public to accept police violence against Citizens. How many times have you read an account of a Citizen being beaten by a group of policemen and then read statements by the general public that it all could have been avoided if the individual had smiled and handed over his identification.

          • Wrath Child

            Oddly enough I’m a law abiding citizen with nothing to hide. First of all…I can count on one hand the times I’ve been pulled over by the police, and second…the times I have and showed my ID guess what happened? NOTHING…they apologized for the inconvenience and I went on my way. Took a grand total of 3 mintues. Then you get guys on YouTube posting their 35 minute videos of them “sticking it” to the cops when asking for their ID…however unlike those idiots who don’t have a life and evidently have 35 minutes to waste on useless videos…I have places to be. I also don’t have a criminal record to hide from which I suspect is why most people have this big hang up of showing their ID…most likely they got outstanding warrants they don’t want the cops to know about.

          • David Phillips

            You are a law abiding Citizen? Then why are you getting detained in traffic so frequently? Most folks don’t like showing their identification because they are not obligated to identify themselves to Government agents arbitrarily and made to show their papers. The police know this and they abuse the laws that are on the books to give themselves the “legal justification” to have it their way.

          • Wrath Child

            4 times. Once due to speeding, once due to a tail light being out (legitimately, and I hadn’t noticed), once because my nephew decided he liked hitting my 4 way flashers button despite me trying to tell him to stop. A cop saw this and pulled me over to make sure everything was okay, and once at a checkpoint in relation to a kidnapping in the area.

          • David Phillips

            And when you were pulled over for your tail light “violation”. Did Officer Smiley let you know and send you on your way? Or did he first ask for your driver’s license, registration, and proof of insurance?

          • Wrath Child

            He asked if I knew what the reason for the stop was…and I said no…he said I had a burnt out tail light, then he asked for my license and registration. He came back, asked me who the person on the registration was (it was my gf’s car), I told him it was my girlfriend’s car, he handed me back the license and registration, and I was on my way

          • David Phillips

            Correct. Had the policeman really pulled you over for your own safety, he would have let you know and waved goodbye. Instead, he used the technicality of the “violation” to detain you and conduct a fishing expedition. He was hoping you might have a warrant or smell some Marijuana in the car so he could make a prohibition bust and impress his boss.

          • Wrath Child

            However if I HAVE a warrant out for my arrest, than I’m a CRIMINAL and I should probably be arrested anyway. There have been cases of abducted children who were rescued because of this exact situation, a car pulled over because of a tail light. Now in your world…the cop would have him through, the kid would remain captured, and who knows what happens to them

          • David Phillips

            And those situations are the exception – not the rule. Have you heard of “stop and frisk” ?

          • Wrath Child

            But you’re argument is throwing out “the exception not the rule”. You can’t lump all cops in together and discount the good actions officers have done (even exposing corrupt cops), but then turn around and use the “that’s the exception not the rule” in your own argument.

  • kindbuddy

    Wanting people to listen, you can’t just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you’ll notice you’ve got their strict attention.

  • EddyCutz

    your share links dont work for me.

  • Cantwell is a pussy

    Christopher Cantwell is the BIGGEST FUCKING PUSSY who hides behind a keyboard. Keep talking Chris. It’s all you can do. You don’t contribute to society. Just talk and talk and talk. The world will be a better place without you pussy. So do us all a favor. Put a gun to your temple like this “fallen revolutionary heroes” and pull. The world will be a better place. Hopefully your followers will follow. Fucking pussy piece of shit.

    • Uncanny Valley

      Get back on your meds officer. You’re the state-sanctioned agent of violence here, does it worry you that the post of this duty was befouled to the point that hiring you seemed like a good idea? It worries me

  • Wrath Child

    Being against police corruption? Sure. Being against abuse of power? Okay. But when you openly start celebrating the murder of a human being you lose all credibility. At first I thought maybe Cantwell had a point, then he stated how happy he was that police officers had been murdered, how happy he was that families were forced to bury their loved ones…and then I realized he’s really just a sociopath who needs to be locked up and put in a straight jacket in a rubber padded room. The fact that this whacko has “followers” or supporters is equally disturbing. When the rest of the world looks at Americans and says they’re just gun happy, and violent and without morals…it’s stuff like this that perpetuates that stereotype

    • David Phillips

      When you become Dictator, you can send your Police to haul Mr. Cantwell off to the Gulag. I am always amused by people ( who presumably have some understanding of the Constitution ) calling for the Government to take custody of people for speech they find offensive.

  • Peter Vujin

    Well, all-rite, man, I hear you. But, I have a good cop friend (one in 100, just like the rest of the people), and I would be extremely hurt if something happened to him while on duty. Also, I was once restored to my house by cops when the building manager kicked me out at gunpoint. So there are plenty of good cops, it’s just like with everything else, people are people, they’re generally messed up and yeah, it’s growing up in ‘murica etc., but you know what? We’re all one people and we should not just kill each other. Cops are Americans, too! So, I regret to see that this situation has developed, and I extend my condolences to their families. That said, it’s about time for a revolution, just cops ain’t our enemies – they’re the people too. Are cause is with the FED. Burn the FED, I would say! 😉

    • David Phillips

      “Just following orders” is not an acceptable excuse. Does your friend issue citations to meet revenue targets?

      • Peter Vujin

        No, bc he’s a Deputy – like a Court Cop, and he’s almost out. He hates them, too, TRUST ME. But. guys, it’s the system, not it’s levers. 🙂

    • Uncanny Valley

      Until the “good cops” start arresting the multitudes of unambiguously bad ones, there are no good cops.

      There may be some who are only evil by their complicity in a system full of sociopaths who kill people’s pets for fun, but they are still evil.

      The only good cop I know about was Christopher Dorner.

      • Peter Vujin

        Dude, I know, it’s hard to rat on the blue wall of silence, or they could – conceivably – kill you (the renegade). As in “shot in the back by perpetrator”, then they kill the Sirhan Sirhan dude (perpetrator, give me a break)! Anyways, I agree Dorner was good, and Chris Garett here in Can. was good, too, he disabled the loonie-tune that cut his throat and mortally wounded him. 🙂

      • Peter Vujin

        And how they did Dorner in was just like – fucking Nazis, man!!!!!

  • Peter Vujin

    So also please take into account: I’m an attorney, so I know REAL-WELL how done corrupt they is! As in: I see them lying in Court EVERY SINGLE DAY to put good people away, etc. I’m sick of them, too – but – you can’t just kill innocent people. Bad cops = send them to jail, good cops = keep em on the streets to help against real bad people. Thank you. Pv, esq. Fla. #641243.

    • mmmbacon

      a lawyer huh? they are worse than cops and only worship the all mighty dollar no matter the cause or the crime, I have NEVER met one that wouldn’t lie or cheat the system for their client whether they were defending a drug dealer,drunk driver, murderer or a child molester! what’s the difference if u lie to put a good person in jail or to keep a criminal on the streets ? there is no justice either way, now if you happen to be that one lawyer that is all out for justice then kudos to you and i apologize but like Santa Clause ill believe it when i see it.

      don’t get me wrong i appreciated it when my lawyers got me off any charges, just wasn’t impressed with the way it was handled Because after i grew older and more mature i realized shit ..i should of went to jail for that ..i was an idiot !

      i do agree with your post however 🙂 Peace

  • Wrath Child

    Here’s another reason the USA has “Bad Cops”, because the criminals now have more rights than the cops. There’s police brutality sure, but you started getting every criminal that was taken down by force complaining about police brutality, which by the way desensitized the word, and made it seem like everyone just cried “police brutality” to try to get out of a crime. What happened was that the good cops eventually said they had enough of the bull shit, and got jobs in the private sector, either as security consultants or other. Thus it left a void needing to be filled and with all the quality candidates gone there was just the losers left to fill the spots. My friend’s dad was a cop (a good one…and yes he even testified against some “dirty” cops during his career). But he was a cop back in the 70’s and 80’s and he said that even though there were “bad” cops back then, it was usually lack of pay that led to them going dirty. Now a days he says there are guys getting in that would have never passed screening in a million years when he was in the force, but they need to put cops on the streets so they’re at a point now where they just take whoever is willing pretty much because they can’t find any “Good” candidates anymore

    • David Phillips

      How is it even possible to be a “good cop”? You are sent to an academy to practice shooting and fighting people and told what to say in court. They then hand you a gun and tell you to go write citations to people exceeding posted “speed limit” signs. Again – how is it possible to be good in this scenario?

      • Wrath Child

        So you’re definition of a “Good” cop is somebody who stands by and does nothing all day? You’re saying you DON’T want cops to have guns? Considering how gun crazy the USA is what good would they be? Somebody goes to rob a bank carrying firearms and the cops just kinda stand there? As far as speeding tickets go…I have a different view on speeding tickets (at least on highways and Interstates) but that’s another debate. But essentially you just want the cops to do nothing and say nothing and let people break the law whenever they see fit?

        • David Phillips

          If the cop is standing around not doing anything then his “service” is not necessary. Apparently there are not enough murderers, rapists, bank robbers, etc to keep everybody busy. This is why they sit in traffic and extort money from motorists to kill time.

          • Wrath Child

            Again…I’m not going to argue the speeding ticket thing, as I also tend to believe it’s more of a money making thing than a safety thing…at least on highways and Interstates (there’s still some merit to limits in residential and school zones etc.).

            But if you don’t want the cops to learn how to use weapons or fight, how are they supposed to protect the public from a violent criminal?

          • David Phillips

            Why wouldn’t you argue the speeding ticket thing? Have you seen how they themselves drive?

          • Wrath Child

            I’m saying there’s more evidence to prove that on highways and Interstates, speed limits actually create more hazardous driving situations than if there was no posted seed limit

          • David Phillips

            That – we agree on.

  • Doreen Bostwick

    All that aside – the problem is that not everyone can agree on any one thing, and to think that taking up arms is going to cure our ills as a nation is just, well, ignoring the facts – and lets say an army does, and they win – who makes the rules? You? The winners? Hey, shooting cops is making rules that very few will agree with. Anarchy is grand in theory until people revolt against the chaos, and they will – you can count on it.

    • Spencer

      Anything is better then the corrupt “Government” in place now. Government will continue to do anything they can illegally because no one is going to stop it. we as the people have the right and the duty to rise up and fight! If what the government is doing violates our rights as Born citizens, then taking up arms may be the only way to stop it. I recently read that the military troops currently on active duty now are only served two meals a day due to budget cuts. Yet our prisoners are served three warm meals and have a cot no questions asked? Thats what we as the people need to fight for. Rise up and take arms if necessary, charge those professional politicians who have commited crimes and gone unpunished!

    • David Phillips

      Democracy has many problems of its own. When a bunch of Citizens get together a vote to criminalize behavior that they do not like – they often fail to realize that the laws they are passing will be enforced by violent employees on the Government’s payroll. Doesn’t matter if it is Jaywalking or Rape. The same people show up to tell you to stop doing whatever you are doing and will violently see to it that you stop should you not obey.

      • Peter Vujin

        David, man, people “often fail to realize” because they seldom think!!!!! 😉

    • Peter Vujin

      New Founding Fathers, of course! New Constitutional Convention, of course! The Third American Republic, of course! Canadians and Mexicans are welcome! We can meet the challenges of the 21st Century much, much better united – but only under our old values: all people are created equal with certain inalienable rights, amongst whom are, the right to life, liberty and a small, but sufficient, payment to ALL citizens for their loss of natural liberty (Thomas Paine). Like, 1k monthly for everyone, to equalize the people and whoever is more ambitious, work harder! 😉

  • Chris

    Finding fault with people who put their lives on the line every day so you can voice some baseless narrow minded philosophy simply so you can find some sick bit of self worth!!! I suppose you think our veterans are baby killers and you live at home with your mommy because you refuse to get a real job and support our country??? I am by no means a liberal, but it’s assholes like you that give good journalists a bad name!!!

    • Wrath Child

      I wish I could up-vote more than once! lol

    • David Phillips

      How are they putting their lives on the line everyday? As far as I can tell, the vast majority of them are perfectly safe pulling over soccer moms and issuing citations for rolling through stop signs.

    • KAi BhavinPatel

      Being too concerned about one’s image prohibits a person from speaking the truth. The truth is brutal. You can either accept it or deny it.

    • Peter Vujin

      Chris, man, take it easy, now you’re the other opposite. We need moderates in this country, you know? The guy’s got a point, but so do you, and so do I. Let’s discuss, therefore, the best solution, please? Thank you! 🙂

  • Wrath Child

    If you’re going to make the argument “All cops are bad cops” because SOME cops abuse their power or commit police brutality, you would then have to also say “All men are rapists”, because almost all of reported rape cases involve men as the attacker, therefore all men are rapists. Maybe they haven’t raped anyone yet, or even say they won’t, but very few of them do anything to stop rape from occuring so they’re rapists by association

    • David Phillips

      When one man is accused of rape – do all the other men cover up for him?

      • Peter Vujin

        100% 😉

      • Wrath Child

        No, but by the logic of “All Cops are Bad Cops” if even one or a few cover it up…the whole lot is painted with the same brush

    • KAi BhavinPatel

      Do all men not oppose rape? Will they not stop another man from raping someone else? Your argument is flawed.

      • Wrath Child

        Rapes occur without men stopping them, which is the same as saying all cops are bad cause they didn’t stop a police assault (regardless of whether they were around or not). And no, NOT all men oppose rape, there are some that suggest there’s “reasons” for it. The girl was dressed a certain way, or she was asking for it, etc. So because not ALL men oppose rape or denounce it…it must mean ALL men are rapists…by your logic

    • Peter Vujin

      You forgot the epidemic of teacher-beachers…;) Troll, troll, trolly-troll…;)

  • no

    military and police are misled by a corrupt system. they are used to protect the interests of others and often those interests are not pure. killing someone who is misled will never change anything it will only strengthen animosities, mislead further, and bring more good people to their cause. if you really want to fix the problem of police and military abusing common people it will take much more than just killing people. you need to change the system itself and the interests they are protecting. This will take much more time and dedication than simply killing people. don’t incite violence and die as a fool helping strengthen their cause. if you truly care about fixing the problem commit your time towards WORKING for a better system. RIP to everyone who was MURDERED today.

    • matthew Foley

      those cops will rest, in hell

  • Matthew Carson

    I know GOOD COPS. I’ve known good cops my whole life. Your “message” offends me greatly.

    • I’ve never met one – when I ran my electronics business one pig bounced a $600 check for a projection TV, and it took me years to get my funds – having to sue him in court.

      • Matthew Carson

        It is unfortunate that you have had such disenchanting experiences with the police without contrast. It is also unfortunate that the majority of police officers seem to be on the take. While good cops are in the minority, I assure you that the Jim Gordons really do exist, and they deserve our consideration and thanks for going against the copper grain.

  • Matthew Carson

    Given your language in this arrticle, if I had to go by that and my schooling alone, I would probably categorize you as a sociopath. But then, I studied to be a criminal profiler.

    • no

      “what is schooling, I never went because police and military victimized me?”

    • matthew Foley

      Sociopath? So you know how to spot a cop then?
      Cops kill little toy dogs and kittens. Recent studies show that at least one family pet is killed by cops daily in the u.s. you know who abuses small animals and children, you should if you studied profiling …sociopaths and serial killers.

    • Oh, brother, another Internet braggart.

  • Cyrus Alexander

    I cannot believe these comments. Murder is murder is murder is murder. Nobody won, there was no good out come to this. If we want things to change we DONT NEED VIOLENCE. Believe me, for anyone who knows me knows I am not a push over but I am also a father, a husband, a son and I put it on my beating heart that I will not let my kids be in one of those videos I see everyday or live through a time like that when it is their chance to live their lives and make what they want out of this life. Education is stronger then violence. What if this whole problem is based off that our government has cheated us all out of the truth. You think cops are among the rich society? No. You think they are just as pissed off? Probably. No we need strict laws that pertain to the ones in uniform. We need to make sure they are evaluated more and when they commit any act of aggression towards an innocent person that they are charged just as an everyday criminal. Not all cops are bad, don’t believe that scanty ass bullshit (excuse my pirate) but people and society have not evolved enough in the mind to not have a way of some sort of security and that is exactly what cops should be.. security, a reminder that not everything is permitted, rape, murder, theives, people that deserve to go to jail would be free and able to do what ever they want, harm who ever they want and no matter who says “we would find a way and unite against such atrocities. You’re fuckin stupid, humans have had enough time to become peaceful and do what is right and we want no part of that. One of my friends was shot and killed by police about 2 years ago for bogus reasons.. I have a great look at revenge, but who does that make me, who is a man that leads their life off blind rage and not intelligence. Half you retards speaking wouldn’t lift a finger to be a part of a real evolution… yes I said evolution, we need that first.

    • matthew Foley

      When someone is abusing you, threatening your life or physical wellbeing, its not murder its self defense. The fact that your assailant carry’s a tin badge does not change that.
      They kill over 500 a year in this country , more innocent people in the last ten years then the entire Iraq war saw victims at the hands of insurgents . they are terrorist that need to be put down to defend ourselves .

    • The race of man is a pack of mostly hairless, arrogant, ignorant, emotional, superstitious talking apes – they will never stop behaving like the savage animals they are.

  • FunnyStarRunner

    First time I’ve ever heard you and I can already tell you’re the typical anarchist retard. “No such thing as a good cop” my foot. Clearly somebody got arrested for shoplifting at 7-Eleven when he was younger and still hasn’t gotten over it.

    • matthew Foley

      There is no such thing as a good cop. The job requires abuse and intimidation of fellow human beings, Thats not the traits of a good person . they don’t report or arrest their own when they get caught interfering with firemen , or real public servants nor when they abuse the people they are sworn to protect.
      I worked at a 7eleven when I was in high school by the way .we were held up while I was restocking the shelves. I beat his ass with a package of top ramen. It was all I could grab. I was told when the police showed I could be charged with assault. Yeah real fucking good guys.

    • no

      lol you were pretty close

  • mmmbacon

    Just a question for all you fans of this Christopher Cantdo or Cantwell or w/e his name is dude , what do you think will happen if you did manage to rid the country of all the police and any other form of “oppressors”? how peaceful and free will it be to live in a land with no rules or anyone to enforce them actually be ? Do you expect everyone to just live in harmony and love one another and treat everyone else with the respect that we in turn would expect from them? please enlighten me of your plan for a perfect and truly free society.

    • matthew Foley

      I think people will adapt and learn how to be grown ups who can handle their own problems. I know I can handle a gun as well or better then most cops I’ve met, and exactly where is the justice when my house is robbed in the robber going to prison, then paying the State not me restitution? If I want restitution I need to then file a civil suit at my expense and then I get paid for damages so long as the robber isn’t a cop.

      • mmmbacon

        Do u actually believe that ? where in history have mankind even remotely shown signs that we are capable of anything of that of a peaceful nature ? you can reason with a person but not with a crowd. Even in the times of the bible the free will of man caused nothing but death and chaos ( not religious btw ) its like expecting the impossible, there will always be someone in the pursue of power and will always be enforced with violence, and ya its a shame that the violated never receive restitution for the wrong they have endured and that is part of what needs to be changed. but death to all cops is not the answer the need to wean out the good and the ones that are no better than the criminals they are hired to arrest is the best place to start ! the problem isn’t so much the laws(although a lot of laws are ridiculous) or most of the people that enforce those laws the problem lies in the ones who make them, sure we would adapt, we always have, but i for one would not want to have to adapt to a life of fighting for survival .:)

  • This event strikes me as a false flag operation – it makes no sense for two individuals to declare “revolution”, shoot two pigs, one innocent bystander, and then themselves.

    Considering what drugs like mescaline, thiopental, DMT, scopalamine and LSD can do, it would not surprise me that an organization like the CIA programmed the two clowns to create new excuses for further “gun control” legislation.

    People are totally unaware of what kind of amoral monsters are running the United States – they will do anything to further their agenda of total control, with resultant “collateral damage”, as occurred in Las Vegas..

    • no

      Out of all the possibilities that could have made two people want to go into a business and murder two cops. You have reached the conclusion that the two were victims of mind control? Doesn’t it seem more probable based on the crime that they had been harassed by cops so much that they decided to strike back the only way they can. honestly, what about this makes you think it was mind control?

      • Because their actions had no discernible purpose, and rather than fight to the death, as a true “revolutionary” would, they simply killed themselves. I can think of no revolutionaries in history that have ever done such a obtuse thing.

        Completely asinine – they accomplished nothing, but you can guarantee that the criminal politicians running this moribund dump will milk it for all it is worth. That’s why I think that the United States Federal Government is behind this one.

        • matthew Foley

          Just off the top of my head Chinese protestors burned themselves alive in the public square as a revolutionary act. So now you have one case in history.

          • They were not armed revolutionaries, they were Buddhist monks – from Vietnam, I might add.

          • matthew Foley

            Thank you for correcting that for me your right. My point stands you said no revolutionary in history has ever just killed themselves well…those monks did.

          • Well, I don’t consider then revolutionaries in the classical sense – they were protesters in my opinion.

          • matthew Foley

            Thats what is called moving the goal posts. Protestors is just another name for revolutionary , as is freedom fighter, insurgent , terrorist, it all depends on how much you agree with what they are rising up against.

          • Not really – the Buddhists were not really trying to change anything – especially by killing themselves – it truly proved nothing.

            It’s like saying the Occupy guys were revolutionaries.

        • no

          maybe they didn’t know what they signed up for or they could have even fought to the death and police shot them and claimed suicided. That’s more likely than being brainwashed. Do you think the innocent victim was a mistake of the brainwashing?

          • Yes – the media could be lying to us, and that the police killed them and are claiming it was suicide, but I don’t see any logic in that.

          • no

            if you killed my friends, I would definitely shoot to kill. also if i knew i was going to go to prison for life if i wasn’t killed by police i would much rather kill my self wouldnt you? I’m not saying it is impossible for the government to have found two people, brainwashed them, set them loose on two cops, accidentally got a civilian then killed them selfs but that doesn’t seem likely at all.

          • Honestly, it could have literally been programmed into them – think MKULTRA.

            The point is – why would they yell “revolution” before they started their carnage, stop at three people, and then kill themselves? They could have at least emptied their magazines into a crowd or something, saving one shot for themselves each from handguns.

            It makes no sense, and the entire affair sounds scripted.

            Further, their alleged yelling of “revolution” could be a lie from the media, as well.

          • no

            it could be a staged event of brainwashing, but i think it was more like mad people sick of being victim of police who got in over their head. maybe they thought they would get away and do it again or thought their crime would start a revolution. or maybe they are part of a group of confused, like-minded people(extremists from this site) and think they will start a revolution this way. If it was a planned event the government should just give up on those because they would never be able to take the guns of americans. that would be to change the bill of right and essentially america itself. that would definitely start a revolution one most common military men would be on the side of the people for since many of them grew up shooting and privately own guns to protect themselves with.

          • Hey – I’m only expressing a theory, you could well be correct – but I’ve seen too many of these over the past decade or so.

  • James Simpson

    What’s with the recent influx of statists in the comment section?

    • no

      do you grow a farm? personally drive to pick up everything you buy? do you produce your own electricity and clean water? are you are of a large group of armed individuals with advance technology and weapons? I am guessing no to most if not all of those. In which case if there were no regulation to society you would die probably hunger or thirst. or you would be made the bitch of someone who has the infrastructure to provide all of those things to their most loyal bitches. you definitely wouldn’t be whining on the internet about a better civilization, while dedicating very little time to creating said civilization.

      • Kitties nRainbows

        Do you really believe regulation grows food?

        • no

          do you grow food? cause people aren’t going to just give your food and bring it to you or pump and give you oil to go pick it up. regulation keeps safe the systems bring all of these things to you wether you contribute directly to them or not and guessing by the amount of whiney victims here you probably don’t contribute much to the oil, electric, internet, or agriculture industries. have you not seen much of Africa? Syria? any other country lacking enforced regulation? these resources are always taken by whoever has the most force and leveraged to control people. Just curious can you name one successful anarchist society?

          • James Simpson

            Are you implying you can’t trade for food or voluntarily join a group? Hurr durr grow your own food, you gotta be 100% self sufficient. There hasn’t been an anarchist society because we needed some form of governance because we lacked the technology to make such theoretical society possible. I think for such a change to happen there would need to be a change in many people’s mindsets, so you wouldn’t have so many taking by force rather than trade. Government is just focused on control and power.

  • Lapu Lapu

    Chris Cantwell is a white supremacist and he approves of these murders.

    • Your statement strains credulity.

    • matthew Foley

      I’m neither white nor a bigot and I approve these self defense deaths of a couple tin badge bullies. Bring your Hispanic ass to Salem Oregon for a bit….you will too.

  • Patrick Cosgrove

    I disagree with this entirely, but i do see a shadow of a point. Yes the police in this country have become damn near criminal, but not all of them. Blaming the good ones for heinous deeds through association is a bit sophmoric as well as im ure we’re all guilty of the same thing to some degree such as covering up a friend’s mistake or blatent disregard for the law. Police good or bad are still people. Human beings. They dont deserve to die based on their occupation, that’s just ridiculous. There are plenty of good cops out there, many that i know do keep tjeir fellow officers in check, others do not. This does not mean that is morally justifiable to kill them based on the unifoem they wear.

    On the subject of revolution: who is to say that the police wouldn’t back this decision? I know here in texas, many an officer would hand over their badge and join an uprising to resrore this cou.try to its former glory and our liberty to what it once was. Hell, realistically you’ll need all the help you can get if taking up arms is the only option. That aside, killing indiscriminately in the name of revolution is…well…stupid, and an e en faster way to end your revolution before it gets a chance to take root due to outraged and emotional citizens.

    In the end, i guess what i’m trying to say is simple: there are bad police; yeah. They dont all DESERVE to die at the hands of revolutionary extremists based on their profession alone. Human life is precious, boys and girls.

    • Not so precious these days, considering police killings, gang killings, terrorism, euthanasia and unrestricted abortions, but oh well, you may feel free to disagree with my cynical stance if you like.

      • Patrick Cosgrove

        Not at all, cynicism is crucial to finding an optimized solution to the issues at hand. Though i do believe that a womans body and what she does with anything growing inside her is her own prerogative. What my post was meant to convey was the uselessness of unwarranted slayings on either side and how it can be more detrimental than helpfull to a revolutionary xause.

        • You are correct with regard to detrimental consequences on both sides. I don’t give this place a decade before insurrection destroys it, and I mean destroys it – America will never recover from what is coming.

          I don’t care about abortions personally, though I do agree with what Margaret Sanger said regarding them.

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            Only if we let it come to that. Truth be told i believe that we could easily bounce back from damn near anything save a nuclear war. The people still have power, we dont need guns to display that power( though they do make for a phenomenal stand by, you know, just in case.). And at risk of being called a dirty peacenic hippy, i will say that unity is what this country needs.

          • This country is so fragmented it reminds of the Balkans. It will expire in a bloodbath that will make the French or Bolshevik revolutions look like bad jokes.

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            More than likely, which is sad but unfortunately true. Which brings us back to the idea of revolution at its core. Pepple banding together to incite change. Bloody or not we need to be on the same page before shots are fired.

          • I am interested in freedom, and adherence to the Constitution, and the first 14 Amendments, period.

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            As are many others, myself included. The ideals held by the constitutionalist are with whom my personal beliefs best resonate. I simply like to believe that it can be achieved without having to sacrifice a good portion of the population.

          • I’d like to think so too – but this place is run by despotic maniacs, Democrat and Republican, and both have allowed people into this nation who couldn’t care less about the Constitution or our culture – in fact – they demand that we change our lives to suit theirs – that won’t fly with me.

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            And it shouldn’t. But jumping the gun(forgive my pun) to direct acts of violence was something even our fore fathers avoided, at least until they knew for certain who to fight.

          • Very true – most of the guys on here seem to be young, emotional males looking for fights with anyone who disagrees with their worldview – life isn’t that simple.

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            And here i thought I’d be trolled for my posts. Cynical or not, you’ve got a decent head on those shoulders. Well done for being an American who can think for himself, its a resource we’re losing daily here.

          • Thanks – I just like to fart around on the Internet – I have nothing to prove and don’t really have to work, unless playing with old cars and trading stocks is work.

  • Hush Hillstreet

    inspiring ending! im becoming a fan

  • Matt Jenkins

    You are 100% full of shit and a fat ass neckbeard keyboard warrior.

    • I don’t think Cantwell cares what anyone thinks, guy.

      • Matt Jenkins

        If he didn’t care what anyone thinks, then this website wouldn’t even exist.

        • That is debatable – on my blog I don’t care what anyone thinks of what I write.

          • Matt Jenkins

            If you didn’t care what anyone thought, you wouldn’t write it. You are writing so other people can read, and think, about what you write. Why else would it be available for other people to read? Don’t even come up with a response, it’s pointless.

          • I write for catharsis – I say so on the blog.

          • Matt Jenkins

            You don’t even know the true meaning of that word, obviously. But go ahead and quote the dictionary definition for me.

          • You’re looking for trouble – I’m not playing.

        • Patrick Cosgrove

          Untrue, people are allowed to publish publicly whatever they please without having to care. His writings are offensive (in my opinion) but the first amendment protects his right to publish them despite my feelings, i can respect that much at least

          • Absolutely – I reckon what I write would curl your hair, but like I told the other guy – I do it for catharsis.

          • Matt Jenkins

            No, it’s true. Let me correct you. If he didn’t care what other people thought, he wouldn’t make his opinions PUBLIC (the entire purpose is to communicate to others). I care what people think about what I post. I can just admit it. I may not care a lot. But I care a little. But caring doesn’t mean I am going to be upset, but it means I might be able to learn. But the insecure nerd who runs this page will never change.

          • Oh bullhocky – don’t take his scrawlings so serious – I don’t.

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            A public publishing doesnt change whether or not he cares about what people think. Even less so in the digital age. For example i can post a status on Facebook without a care in the world of what the masses think about it, because i want to.

            But you’re right about one thing: this jerk won’t change and could care less about who he offends. Luckily for him, americans have the right to say asinine things publicly without fear of recompense

          • Matt Jenkins

            It’s impossible to deflect what I said. If someone publishes something publicly, then it’s because they want their ideas in other people’s heads. That’s a fact of life, I’m sorry.

          • No, it is not – in fact, I couldn’t care less if you look at my screeds – they are unimportant in the scheme of things.

          • Matt Jenkins

            Then why are you posting them?

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            Same reason anyone does: because he can.

          • For the hell of it – don’t you get it?

          • Matt Jenkins

            Nice cop out.

          • Whom are you referring to?

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            First off, nothing deflected. The simple fact is thus; he is allowed to publish absolute gibberish if he so chooses. He doesnt need to have a reason. He is still an asshole, just one who doesnt care about what anyone thinks.

          • He even SAYS he’s an asshole.

            Gotta give him credit for that.

  • Hush Hillstreet

    inspiring ending

    • Patrick Cosgrove

      What was? His lack of empathy for loss of life or his hollow promise to selflessly die for his beliefs? Honestly, the man lacks the ability to convey a point other than he endorses violence as an end to a means….and he manages to do so weakly at best.

      • I find him entertaining, though a bit naive with regard to life and human interaction – I wager he writes a lot of his stuff for shock value, like an ersatz, political Howard Stern.

        • Patrick Cosgrove

          And his unflinching supporters offer even more bang for the proverbial buck. Though their numbers do worry me a bit

          • Yeah – some of them are out there – true believers of any type are dangerous.

      • Don Duncan

        You show your blindness to NAP. Pacifism is endorsement of aggression. Violence in self defense is not.

        • But in what way were the Vegas shooters “defending” theirselves?

          I’d love to know that answer.

          • Don Duncan

            when I heard the news I assumed the couple knew the cops, e.g., this was personal based on their experience.

          • I don’t assume anything – their actions strike me as senseless.

          • Don Duncan

            You don’t because you don’t want to understand. You want to defend the cops. Your use of “senseless” to describe the incident explains your mindset, not the incident.

          • I despise the pigs, guy – go fight with someone else.

          • no

            you came to that conclusion with such little info, you must be very smart and dedicated to the cause of social reform.

        • Patrick Cosgrove

          If you would take a moment, scroll down and read some my other opinions, you’d find that I’m no pacifist, nor have i ever claimed to be.

          An act of violence resulting in the slaying of an individual based on a uniform is not self defense. It is a preemptive strike against a perceived POTENTIAL threat. Which at best could be summarized as paranoia and mich more easily classified as cold nlooded mutder.

          By definition; in order to defend ones self, one must be in immediate danger.

          • Exactly.

          • Don Duncan

            Your assumption that they acted preemptively is as premature as my assumption. The difference is my assumption grants the shooters more respect. Just as I would respect a Jew who shot an SS who killed a friend or a slave who shot his master.

          • Hyperbole.

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            Your rebuttal lacks any type of teue weight. The actions of people from actual factual repressed societies are null and void in this context. America is not nazi Germany, our police do not actively slay countless thousands in concentration camps nor is slavery an institution in this country. The honoring of these two for thwir actions is both disgusting and maddening for one simple reason above all others: even if these two officers had abused the shooters on the past, theor actions caused the death of an innocent bystander whom had nothing to do with it. Making them justa s if not more monstorous than the accused oppressors that they shot in cold blood.

          • You forgot to say “yet” – give our elitist masters time.

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            Fair enough, the oligarchy will do what the weak minded allow them to.

          • Don Duncan

            Tell that to the survivors of the Japanese-American concentration camps, ruby ridge, Waco massacre, and the 100s of unarmed killed by cops every year.
            Two Americans have been openly killed by drone without trial by order of president. Not that their nationality should protect them because our constitution says “all men” not all citizens have the right to life.

            But you are correct about the innocent bystander. That was stupid and inexcusable.

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            Please. The internment camps, whilst terrible, were a strategically justified action carried out by a country with no modern means of surveillance during a time of unimaginable fear in order to prevent espionage. The u.s. also granted the Japanese reparations for this, while it doesn’t make up for it on an ethical level, they at least had the balls to admit their wrong doings and attempt reconciliation.

            Ruby ridge, you got me there.

            Waco. You would have to bring up my home town. David karesh is your perpetrator there, and everyone here knows it. Dude was off his rocker in a big way.

            Dont know enough about the drones, so i won’t rebuff.

            Nd what of the hundreds of police killed every year by people whom they are trying to protect?

          • Don Duncan

            The police are trying to protect criminals??? You make no sense.

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            You’re joking, right?

            Allowe to clarify: citizens who turn into criminals when they decide to drop oron on a cop for something like ‘street cred’.

            That better?

        • Matt Jenkins

          You don’t even know what “Pacifism” truly is. It goes beyond the idea of violence towards the willingly defenseless.

          • Oh – asking for definitions again, I see.

  • Lapu Lapu

    Your position is 100% unethical and you and your supporters are in danger of being labeled domestic terrorists for your murderous beliefs.

    Two innocent men were killed. They did not deserve to die. Even the worst the criminals in the US get a trial to determine guilt; you are suggesting that it is perfectly ok to skip that process and go straight to execution. Because of that unethical position Chris, you are no better than the cops you hate.

    • Your remarks are ridiculous.

      I label you obtuse.

    • Don Duncan

      And you think it is “perfectly ok” to assume the shooters are guilty of murder because a court had not convicted the cops. Cops who murder hardly ever go to court. We live in a police state. Wake up and smell the gun powder.

      Tell me this: Who will protect us from our so-called protectors?

      • We do live in a police state; I agree with you there.

      • Patrick Cosgrove

        Honestly when it comes to police states we live in the diet version. Police state lite, if you will. If you ever get to visit china, noth korea or find yourself a time machine to visit the soviet union, i think youll find that we Americans got off kinda easy

        • Don Duncan

          Yea, you keep telling yourself that, i.e., keep saying the US is OK right up until you get hurt or someone you love, or you see mass arrests. The German people loved Hitler right up until the bombs started falling. They were oblivious to the police also. Then its too late. Now is the time to wake up.

          • I despise this place, and I agree it is already tyranny.

            Problem is – what do we do about it – randomly shoot pigs, and give those bastards a reason to clamp down on us further?

          • Don Duncan

            Hell, no. Stop them with non-violent resistance. They fear that more than anything because they can’t fight it, although they do try by planting “agent provocateurs” in peaceful resister groups.

          • I’ve been doing that for decades.

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            Thats what I’ve been suggesting this entire time. It’s no secret that this country is run by corrupt power hungry dingbats, its getting the people en masse do something about it without coming off as spectacle or ridiculous. Blaying potentially innocent police is not an example of such.

          • Don Duncan

            “…en masse…” will happen one at a time as people awaken, e.g., realize that a saint will turn bad if given political power. So we need to stop the granting of power by vote, as if that made it moral. A duly elected official, judge, or policeman is not our superior, in any way, in democratic theory. They are servants. Democracy: The God That Failed.

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            Okay, good. This is conversational progress. Now lets focus on the true issue at hand: how do you purpose to right these wrongs? And in this new way of doing things how do you go about ensuring that the peace is kept and order maintained? Either way you slice it some type of authoritarian figure is necessary, how do we make sure that authority is kept just and unbiased?

          • Don Duncan

            “…some type of authoritarian figure is necessary…” has been the majority assumption since recorded history. Confucius, Lao Tzu, Gandhi, and Thoreau challenged it with great arguments which TPTB refute by force or threat thereof. Various groups have shown humanity can live peacefully without initiated institutionalized violence. For example, Quakers, Amish, a few Native American tribes, and early American settlements before the “law”, i.e., govt. arrived. The “wild west” is a myth started by pulp fiction, and continued by movies.

            Spontaneous order without violence is the norm where govt. does not exist.

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            Can the same be said for societies such as the American people? Who have been so engrained with the ideals of a necessary chain of command. This style of life could have the exact opposite effect in our modern culture resulting in utter chaos.

            I’m not trying to prove you wrong brother, i just want to hear a solid solution. The afore mentioned order without violence where government doeant exist sounda grand. Eapecially when the examplea given were either A. Seaking a complete seperation from a unified governmental body or B. Had never developed a modern industrialized culture. How do you introduce this style of unanimous living into a massive population so reliant on needing a figurehead of authority to look to?

          • Don Duncan

            You equate “modern industrialized culture” with authoritarianism. That is not the case. The American culture has been slowly changing into a police state which got a big boast with the introduction of public education, i.e., obedience indoctrination in the 1880s. Early tycoons + power hungry politicians conspired to control the masses, e.g., buying up the media and stomping out the independents.

            The first 100 years were the era of the pioneer spirit, i.e., individualism, self sufficiency, self reliance, not “needing a figurehead”. If that sounds “grand” it’s because it is.

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            So the question remains. After almost 200 years of indoctrination, how do you convince the population of the now liberated country to keep its infrastructure in working order? Without an education requirement how fo you ensure that future generations are properly educated? Without laws and law enforcement how do you deal with the inevitable wrong doings of members of this society in a humane and just manner? How do you defend the country from possible invasion of foreign nations without a well regulated and structured military response? Without a primary governing body to speak of, how is international trade handled legally, efficiently and ecologically?

            All questions that need answers in today’s world.

          • Heather Ward

            If you despise it so much get the hell out!!! Go live in some 3rd world country and spout your opinion there… see what a police state is all about. Oh and enjoy a dirt floor prison where the toilet is the floor you’re lucky if you get feed, oh and you are sick in need of medical attention… HAHAHAHA!! Good luck with that too…. dumbass.

          • No, I will fight the police state with every fiber of my being, and there is nothing that you can do about it. You are a coward who will cringe at your masters, I am not.

            Dumbass.

      • Matt Jenkins

        I don’t need protection from cops, because they never bother me.

        • Don Duncan

          Well Matt, as long as you have not suffered directly I guess no one has to worry. Your experience is proof everyone else is paranoid.

        • Give them time.

          • Corey Balbuena

            Cops only bother criminals.

          • Corey Balbuena

            There are dirty cops, as there are always people with bad intentions in every occupation. But if you’ve been bothered enough by the cops to join a crusade that attempts to justify murdering the police force, you’ve likely broken the law and been made it’s bitch for it.

          • Tell that nonsense to the innocent people who have been killed by them.

          • Roy J Lores

            And pigs fly too…

  • Mark Raymond

    This ideaology that a cop is “just doin his/her Job” is a total falsehood. They swear an oath to obey and defend the laws and constitution of the state, and the federal constitution. Yet id be willing to bet over 90 percent of police officers couldnt begin to quote you the first line in the preamble of either constitution. Their public acts they do every day i.e. taffic citations, marijuanna “busts” parking citations etc are Not CONSTITUTIONAL as they swear an oath to. Their acting on public policy and anger that because they cant do it no one else can. Ironically thats the mentality of modern day America too. Id like to ask everyone here in this forum.Do you know the constitution of the United States and the state your in? Have you took it on yourself to read and learn what they mean? I hear people all the time saying things like “o theres this law on the books or theres that law on the books. Yet they have never read them or even know where to find them. Do you know the difference between a law and statute? Can anyone here list their rights as prescribed in the constitution? And if having done so do you recognize if or when your neighbor, fellow american, is doing the same even though it may be different to your way? If you really think your free, then answer this question. If you drive a car do you have a drivers license? (your not free if you do). If your building a house, do you obtain a building permit? (if so you are not free) If your married Did you obtain a marriage license? (if so you are not free) If you own firearms do you have a carry or purchase permit to obtain and carry? (if so you are not free). All these things i mentioned and more are clearly laid out in the constitution. And if by willingness or ignorance you are following along with status quo. You can hardly claim to be free. Theres no such thing as a “necessary evil”. What America needs is a huge dose in growing a spine. Many on social media here talk the talk but wont come out and join the resistance that has been going on for many decades now. Im not here to call names or make you feel inferior. Or even to make you feel good. Im here saying its time to wake up and stand and take physical action Our country is in dire peril and those of us who have been fighting/resisting for years are not as great in number as one would think. So before you call anyone a criminal look at your life and see the acceptance by the american people of criminal behavior by not doing what our founding fathers entrusted us with. There will be some who may agree with me but theres a whole lot who wont. Might even throw a few rude comments at me. To those i issue a challenge. Read the constitution and the laws before you bash your fellow man for doing what you dont have the intestinal fortitude to do.

    • Jacob Sleets

      So what you are saying is that we should get rid of any and all regulations so we can actually have freedom? That is such a great idea! I would love for every 13 year old to be able to drive without a driver’s license and put my life in peril so I can have a better sense of freedom and a warm feeling in my tummy! You sir, are a great part of what is wrong with the US. You just like to play the victim.

    • DaveS69

      Mark … shut the fuck up. Seriously.

  • Gregory Galindo

    What is this trash?

  • Leanne-Marie Lowe

    I read halfway … But i still can’t believe you’re saying people deserve to die because of their occupation?! That every police officer – who are there to instate the law to PROTECT people deserve to get shot and encouraging people to go round shooting?! You’re sick!

  • Corey Balbuena

    You’re an idiot, and worse, an ignorant bastard. You have grouped all men and women of the police force into one group, which is no different and no better than racism, sexism, homophobia, or any other form of ignorance. There are no doubt some dirty police officers, but damning all police officers and saying they deserve to die is disgusting, inhuman, and small. You’re the type of pathetic human being that makes me lose confidence in our species as a whole. Your attempts to justify murder either prove that you’re a sociopath with a complete disregard for the value of human life, or a tiny little man with an overwhelming fear of law enforcement.
    In short, you’re a coward and a pig.

    • matthew Foley

      it is different by far. you don’t choose your skin color, sexual preference, gender, etc. you absolutely choose your career path, and it is a specific group that chooses that one, and only a sadist sticks with it.
      you have made it clear with your posts that you sir, are a cop. you might as well show the courage your profession is not known for, cowboy up, and openly state such.
      yes most people tend to have an ” overwhelming fear” of a group of thugs that murders your pets in cold blood in front of your kids, beats, rapes, and kills anyone that so much as questions them or their authority, and intimidates anyone and everyone that stands in the way of them getting what they want. that is not an irrational fear, it is a justified evolved survival trait that says your life and wellbeing is threatened and kicks in your fight or flight. there is nothing cowardly about fearing evil that will kill you without emotion or a second thought, then post selfies of your shit they stole afterwards.

  • Corey Balbuena

    If we lived in the type of police state these comments claim we do, this website wouldn’t even exist, and this man would be kissing the curb for his ignorant comments. But this page exists, and this man, against all that is good and holy, is walking freely. That means his rights are being protected. That makes him a hypocrite.

  • Joe

    I’m extremely disappointed in being connected to this through social media. Im a firm believer in true freedom. Liberation from our government is crucial. With that being said im disgusted to read”good news two cops dead”. This is only one mans opinion, i believe that is a childish to put in those words. No matter what no deserves to die there are no good news funeral reading no life is less valuable than another. We want change for the better, tobe bbrought back to our true freedom, how ever, when you start gunning for change through violence and destruction your just stooping to the same level that your fighting against. With someone of your nature to be a leader the result will be nil due to ignorance. I hope you will gain wisdom to be courageous but courteous, strong but kind and honorable but right now you are no different from them just standing on a different side.

    • matthew Foley

      hard for an abused animal to hold compassion for the foot kicking it. I wish it was possible to face this threat without violence, but when that is all your abuser understands….

      • Joe

        Quite understood Mr. Foley, I’ve had my fair share of being harassed and subject to their cowardice. How ever, I find it to be much simpler to look and treat most of the officers who live above rather than being a model of the law, as if they were terminally ill with cancer. I would not be violent toward anyone who was violent then got cancer. Most of us get to live life and can choose to fight for the constitutional values we believe are right. These sad officers have to do this on a daily basis and have created such a soul sickness for themselves. Can you imagine not knowing the truth because after so long you believe your distorted view has become truth? We have the upper hand which is why leading with brut force should be left to them. We have our mindsand truths which will come to light in due time.

        • Joe

          In addition a little fod for thought I’d like to throw out there. For everyone wanting true freedom and to be brought back to our constitutional beginnings, are not the police just A symptom of the bigger problem which is government. If any revolution shall sustain time and effort would it not be more advisable to go after the source and not just the bi-product of the source?

  • Right

    Cantwell, you lousy, fat, balding worthless smelly piece of excrement,
    just drop the NAP façade. It’s a fucking joke for you to pretend to subscribe
    to nonviolence while condoning random acts of violence. Things are not going to
    end well for you, bud.

    • DaveS69

      He’s all talk. When confronted by police officers he’s actually a compliant, good little boy. It makes him feel important to talk tough and pretend he’s some bad-ass sovereign guy. He’s just a loser with a keyboard and an Internet connection, probably living at home with his Mom.

  • your all pussies

    Fuck all u pieces of shit that are talking about he police officers..you are all a bunch of worthless pieces of crap and I promise the first time somebody screams at you the cops are the first ones you call because you’re all pussies

    • Matt

      Butthurt?

    • matthew Foley

      yes yes let it flow young skywalker, ultimate power!!!! does it feel good to be such a hate filled person? your a cop though right?

  • Right

    My favorite part is when they had to shove the guns in their
    own mouths and pull the trigger. Nothing else underscores just how beaten you
    are as having to pop yourself. All you wannabe revolutionaries take note, 90%
    of the time that’s your fate should you ever feel froggy and decide to jump.
    The other 10% of the time, when you’re too much of a coward to end your own
    miserable existence, we get to throw you in a cage and let your rot, or flip
    the switch ourselves. It always results in an ultimate victory for us though,
    even with minor loss of life on our side. Because we always manage to get your
    genetics out of the gene pool.

  • Right

    By Cantwell’s cumbersome understanding of the nonaggression principle,
    the following people deserve to die because they get paid with “stolen” tax
    dollars: cops, fire fighters, members of the armed forces, postal workers,
    public school teachers, library workers, etc.

    • Corey Balbuena

      He’s either:
      A. A sociopath.
      B. An ignorant idiot.
      C. An attention whore.
      I wish I believed in hell, so I could look forward to him being sent there.

      • Right

        Let’s not give him too much credit. He’s just a fat piece of garbage that has gotten busted on a couple of DUI charges, ended up doing a little jail time, and now thinks he’s an edgy anarchist when he’s just a douchebag.

      • matthew Foley

        COP! COP! your a Cop dude just fucking say it. your a donut munching, rights violating, pull your cock out in a starbucks, puppy killing, make the children cry, blue and tin banging, cop! it will be such a great release for you to own it hoss I swear the first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem.

        seriously lets all hold an intervention for the cop here, he really wants to come out of his little closet with his cute hat, spiffy cuffs, and fabulous Badge, we just need to encourage him a little so he can start the healing process

    • Roy J Lores

      I have yet to read an article in which he targets librarians and teachers.he does target cops as they are the state enforcers, the imperial stormtroopers and as such a valid target.

      • Right

        Of course he doesn’t overtly rail against librarians and teachers. He can’t afford to be thought of as any more idiotic than he already is. Though, I bet if you ask him he’d have to concede that librarians and teaches are paid with “stolen” (tax) money and should therefore meet the same fate as politicians, police officers, and members of the military. That being the application of violent, so-called “defensive”, force.

        • Roy J Lores

          Not really as they are not enforcers. Teachers are not going to kidnap me at gunpoint, nor librarians and much less firemen whom many of them are actually voluntary but cops are try again state worshiper.

    • matthew Foley

      this is literally the dumbest shit one of you has said. and thats saying something

      • Roy J Lores

        Take a look at his posts on this blog, this guy is the unrivaled king of the morons.

        1. He fervently believes that everybody worships government as he does and that they all want a North Korean style totalitarian regime as he does as well.

        2. He believes that everybody but AnCaps are happy with the status quo even though a single look at everything from so called liberal to AnarchoSocialist websites prove otherwise.

        3. He believes that all soldiers whom are the most pissed at the establishment will be as eager to commit genocide against the American people as he is in the name of his deity.

        4. But most pathetic is that he believes the U.S still the best nation in the world when we are anything but.

  • Nick

    Who the fuck are you to say that those cops or any cop deserves to die. You’re all fucking losers sitting behind a computer or smart phone screen acting all badass naming dumbass opinions about the country as if you truly know what’s going on. If you don’t like it here then get the fuck out, it’s not that hard. If it’s too rough here for you how about you go check out North Korea or even Syria and other middle eastern countries. You scumbags literally are what make this country turn to shit. All of your “anonymous” and pro-revolution bullshit will never happen so move the fuck on and enjoy the rest of your life without saying that cops dying is a great thing. Don’t break the law and maybe you won’t have to worry about being harassed by the cops. Fuck I mean I’ve never been in trouble with the cops because I abide by the fucking law it’s really not hard. I’m sure you can handle not smoking weed you’ll live I promise.

  • Right

    It’s funny as hell that Cantwell brags about all the people he has supposedly “reached” with his retarded blog entries. Meanwhile, if he wasn’t delusional he could easily gauge by the comments that the overwhelming majority of people he has reached don’t agree with him, hate him, and wish him ill.

  • Keith P

    You are a sick F*ck!

  • TJ

    Amazing I see a lot of comments but none seem to say simply the shit sucks and desperate people do desperate things and this is just the beginning, its not a revolution per se but when people have nothing to lose, people have nothing to lose.

  • chris

    I think this article is hard to read just because someone chose a certain career does not mean they “deserve to die” they are human beings just like you. There are no good cops or bad cops there are people making decisions. You are entitled to your own opinions but even so this article is a little messed up.

    • Don Duncan

      Are you saying there were no good Nazis or bad Nazis, only some one who chose a career? Being human does not mean you deserve to live no matter what decisions you make. Try reading what you write and thinking before you post.

      • Tyler Marchand

        Nazis were a group of humans who believed in the cause that jews needed to be exterminated. Thats a bad cause. Therefor nazis= bad… Cops, however, are not all bad. There are plenty of cops who have never beaten an innocent person, murdered a dog, or wrongly arrested someone. Plenty of cops are good. Plenty are bad. But you think its ok to murder the good ones simply because they have a badge? Thats fckd.

  • Tyler Marchand

    This is a disgrace. This is a couple of murderous lunatics killing random cops. THERE ARE GOOD COPS! There are BAD cops! But killing random human beings is murder. These are MURDERERS, and if you support murderers and are sad because they died then you are a lunatic. A buffoon. An idiot. A psychopath. A traitor. A nutcase. A terrorist. An extremist. Everything the liberal left calls us, if you support this, is WHAT YOU ARE.

    • Lysander Spooner

      But they’re not “random” human beings, are they? They’re agents of the State.

      • Right

        So you advocate killing members of the military, firemen, public school teachers, library workers etc?

        • Patrick Cosgrove

          No use trying to explain to them that without law, law enforcement, and a centralized government this country would fall to chaos. I already tried. Obe of thwm compared american police to Nazi ss in response.

          Aparently we live in a totalitarian regime where all of our rights are being forcefully yanked away every moment. Hell, the way some of them talk i feel i should be lucky that big brother hasnt found this thread yet, and shut it down.

          • Right

            LOL! Last week an anarchist that frequents here named Roy Lores threatened to shoot me in the face if he ever had the chance! LOL and they wonder why we need government … OH the irony.

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            Oh he had some decent points. Refrenced a few cultures who thrived without governmental infrastructure (you know, the ones who also thought that things like the printing press was either white man magick or a work of Satan. ).

            He never did get back to me on how it was we would go about(in this governless society) ensuring the future generations had a chance to be educated, or how we would conduct foreign affairs, international trade, or basic defensive (as in literally dwfending against an invasion) military operations.

          • Right

            Oh you haven’t heard? You must not be hip to the “Anarcho”
            capitalist yammering! All of that stuff would spontaneously manifest itself
            through the “free market” in the absence of government. Nevermind the ensuing
            dust bowls and the Rockerfeller-esque monopolies! These anarchists want toll
            roads every hundred feet on every road, no public beaches, lakes, campgrounds,
            forests, and best of all!!! Wait for it! Wait for it!!!! Insurance companies
            that they call “protection agencies” would enforce arbitrary rules designed to
            bolster their own profit margins through the use of paid militias and
            mercenaries … you know, because the non-aggression principle doesn’t apply to
            people getting paid to exact force on others at the behest of the “protection
            agencies”. LOL! What a bunch of friggin dimwits!

          • Patrick Cosgrove

            I love me some capitalism, but I’m pretty sure that’s not how it works…i mean…i could be wrong, I’ve been wrong before.

            They aren’t like, you know…serious…right?

          • Right

            Of course that’s not how it works because, like, the
            government is keepin’ ‘em down man! Don’t make them break out the
            Rothbard/Mises economics lesson on your statist ass!

            To borrow a line from someone else, the reason these guys
            hate government so much is because they suck at capitalism. If they were any
            good at it, government would be responsible for their success!

          • Roy J Lores

            Sorry bud but your Crony capitalism free market.

            In your system you only succeed if you kiss politicians butts give money in their campaigns, fund murderous wars overseas etc. Over here we call it having a Pala (Shovel).

          • Right

            You do know that free market capitalism was tried in America back in the day. They called it laissez-faire capitalism back then. It resulted in monopolies, poverty, and the dust bowl.

          • Roy J Lores

            Wrong dude, the Federal reserve already had strict control of the market by 1913 when it was created along with the income tax at the bequest of the Rotchild’s, JP Morgan etc. whom you love to suck their dicks so much.

          • Right

            You need to help yourself to a history book Roy my boy.

          • Roy J Lores

            Actually you do, both the Federal reserve and the income tax came to be controlling the economy since 1913. The one who loves to ignore such historical facts it’s you. In fact the one who most blindly adores government the more totalitarian the better, it’s YOU, honestly not even the Young Turks would agree with you on most issues, in fact over the TSA and your opinion they would deem you as dangerously insane.

          • Roy J Lores

            Only after you threatened to exterminate everyone who does not agree with you through state force.

          • Right

            Roy-my-boy, you are a whacked out delusional idiot. Even
            through the most cumbersome reading of our repartee, only a retard could
            conclude that I threatened anyone with anything. Certainly no one threatened to
            exterminate you with state force. I merely underscored for you that, should you
            anarchists ever attempt to undermine our society’s system of order and rule of
            law by physically attacking it or us, we will do everything in our power to garner
            the necessary defensive might to thwart and subvert you.

            Because, as we both agree, the use of defensive force
            against an aggressor is wholly justified. And we statists are morally right in
            the belief that we can defend our way of life against fifth column anarchist
            pieces of shit like you.

          • Roy J Lores

            What rule of law is that? Because your beloved ruling elite keeps changing them as we speak.

            The rule to be spied upon 24/7/365 by the NSA 24/7/365 or the rule to be molested by the TSA or both?

          • Right

            Yeah, I know you’re too retarded to know what “the rule of
            law” means. And I’m not surprised that your little pea brain is too small to
            comprehend how laws change based on the collective will of the governed
            society. Yep, the laws conform to the desires of society. It’s that free market
            thing at work, lil AnCap. You’d think you’d understand that when the society
            demands security, the government attempts to provide it. I’ve never had a
            problem with TSA. Sure, it’s a minor annoyance having to deal with them. But
            not nearly as annoying as being on a plane with an anarchist piece of shit with
            four pounds of C4 shoved up his sphincter threatening to blow us all up because the government is
            interfering with his ability to be a successful human being, stop eating
            cheetos, turn of the World of Warcraft, shave off that neckbeard, and get a job
            that doesn’t involve running a cash register at
            a Texaco gas station.

          • Roy J Lores

            Funny that you don’t because most people Ancaps or not hell even so called liberals are not happy at a with your surveillance state, and that’s what YOU fail to grasp is not just AnCaps that are pissed at this system of yours but a whole lot of people are. Google what happened at Athens Tennessee so you comprehend what’s about to happen on this nation and around the whole fucking planet if your beloved ruling elite keep tightening their control.

          • Right

            In typical AnCap fashion you are given to hyperbole and extravagant exaggeration. Like I said, people might be annoyed with it, but they’re not going to go full blown anarchist over it. Hell, Ed Snowden got essentially forcibly expatriated for trying to tell everyone they were being spied on, and people were like *shruggs* no shit Sherlock. Now he’s a man without a country and you could hear crickets chirping while he was on NBC begging to come home a few weeks ago. As far as TSA, thousands of Americans willingly subject themselves to the hassle every day … it’s a small price to pay for a little added security really. Most people have nothing to hide and therefore most people don’t care. It’s little subversives like you that are worried. Little anarchist pieces of shit, like cockroaches, you don’t like it when the light of day is shined on your little subversive antics. Fuck a god damned anarchist.

          • Roy J Lores

            I never said such a thing but here’s the deal, you have given your full support to a quasi totalitarian system that almost nobody likes and many increasingly feel there is no alternative other than violent revolution and again not just AnCaps. And if you really believe that most people are happy with being molested by the TSA I got some cheese from the moon to sell you with that.

          • Right

            If you think the American people are going to violently revolt against the American government en masse over the TSA, you are a fucking idiot.

            Well, I guess that is an understatement. It’s already intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer that you’re an idiot.

            But the bottom line is there ain’t gonna be no civil war over it, bub. If people don’t like it enough or are concerned about it enough they’ll do what they always do. Go to the polls and vote. That’s pretty much how we do it up here in the first world. The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.

            But you just keep holding your breath and hoping for that armed revolution, skippy.

          • Roy J Lores

            Most people already know that voting changes absolutely nothing and that the ruling elite will enforce their way no matter what, that only leaves room for civil disobedience which doesn’t work either as all dissidence is brutally crushed soviet style, so that only leaves violent revolution as the only viable alternative at this point for all those AnCaps or not who are fed up with yo beloved establisment.

          • Right

            Bring it.

          • Roy J Lores

            You really don’t get it do you? Your beloved increasingly totalitarian police state will inevitably lead to civil war.and it won’t be just us AnCaps hell if this continues you may even see the Young Turks themselves taking up arms against your beloved totalitarian North Korea style police state you adore so much and then what are you gonna do motherfucker? when the whole weight of the populace turns on you and your beloved establishment? Because granted we may not all agree on what should come next, but boy nearly everyone agrees your system is fucked and needs to be put down like a rabid dog one way or the other so about bringing it, you should seriously think it over….

          • Right

            One million heavily armed and highly trained soldiers say different. “… against All enemies, foreign and domestic. ” But you wouldn’t know anything about that. Besides, you are just a coward.

          • Roy J Lores

            Oh that’s another thing a whole lot of soldiers will not fight their own people either, in fact your beloved Establishment will have to rely on foreign troops probably from North Korea. LOL Soldiers especially returning veterans are the most pissed against your system of them all state worshiper just FYI.

          • Right

            Roy my boy, you continuously one-up yourself with each subsequent bit of idiocy you spew forth. I’m a veteran of the U.S. Armed forces, and trust me, my brothers and sisters are not going to sit idly by while you anarchists try to undermine this great nation. Wishful thinking on your part.

          • Roy J Lores

            Again you make the mistake of thinking that it’s only AnCaps who have a beef with your beloved establishment when it’s a whole lot of people of different persuasions and ideologies who are not happy at all with it. And if you are who you say you are and you are proud how your beloved deity treats it’s veterans you are either a bald faced liar or a masochist I’m guessing it’s the first. Try again state worshiper. OH and if you ever served as you claim that oath you took was not to the vultures in Washington or to the ruling elite but to the constitution of the U.S. and it’s people whom you are you are on the contrary more than eager to commit genocide against.

          • Right

            Roy my boy, marginalized nitwits such as yourself have been claiming the
            revolution was right around the corner for as long as there have been
            marginalized nitwits.

          • Roy J Lores

            Ignore all the discontent around you at your own peril asswipe. The British loyalists felt the same way until the revolution rammed them all back to England, in your case it will be North Korea I suspect.

          • Right

            Keep dreaming and wishing for your revolution, piss ant anarchist piece of shit. Hold your breath and wait for it. You’re like Chicken Little claiming that the sky is falling. It must be incredibly frustrating for you to want something so badly that just seems to never be going to happen. Every day I bet you get out of bedding hoping today is going to be the day. And every night you cry yourself to sleep. Too bad for you. Ah well, this is
            America, not some banana republic or Caribbean stye. We’re the beacon on the hill, everybody wants to be us. And the bottom line is if it ever got bad here, it would get far worse for the rest of the world. Be some shit for the world’s largest economy to tank.

          • Roy J Lores

            Everybody wants to be us? Yes because having the largest incarcerated population in the world and a multi trillion dollar budget just to keep a worthless empire around the world when the nation is immersed in debt are such worthy titles for all nations on this planet to aspire to LOL

          • Right

            The lines at the embassies for visas are also the longest in the world. They just keep coming. Again, why don’t you expatriate yourself? Edward Snowden did it. Bobby Fisher did it. Three soldiers did it during the Korean war. You should follow their example.

          • Roy J Lores

            Actually the U.S expedites 4 or less of such worthless visas that like your beloved TSA do not stop a single terrorist. I was born here in this island you want to expatriate me asshole you will have to come and try to make me, don’t complain when your head is lopped of by a machete in return though.

  • Scott Bowers

    we can take care of ourselves…..the only good cop is a dead cop

    • Patrick Cosgrove

      Oh no, someone just murdered your entire family and critically wounded you in the process. I wonder who will be investigating and attempting to bring to justice those who did this while your fat ass heals up in the hospital.

      • Right

        Well, provided his monthly “premiums” were paid in full to the “protection agency” I’m sure they’d send a perfunctory insurance adjuster out to his house to calculate the impact of the adverse affects of paying out to companies profit margin versus litigating with the contracted third party adjudicator who would also be a paid lackey of the protection agency. Sounds convoluted, but yep, there’d be no justice in AnCapistan …

        • Roy J Lores

          In a stateless society there would be competing security firms not one. Just FYI just like we have private security guards and private investigators..

          • Right

            So you mean we could expect the same quality of protection
            service from the “competing firms” that we get from McDonalds, Burger King, Hardees,
            and Wendys for our hamburgers?? Oh well then sign me up!!!!!!!!!

          • Right

            I mean srsly! The AnCap big solution to the question of
            government is to sell the notion of putting insurance companies in charge with paid
            militias at their command to enforce rules that they themselves create based on
            maximizing their own profit margins???? What kind of FUCKING IDIOT thinks THIS
            is a good idea??? I mean, you really have to be a total fucking moron to think
            that would be the way to go, nevermind whether or not you could even sell such
            a patently absurd plan to society.

            Geesh. You AnCaps are some of the stupidest non-thinking
            motherfuckers on the internet. I mean between this bullshit, and the “let’s
            make all the roads private and put toll roads ever hundred feet” you boys seem
            willing enough to buy into any cultist meme. There obviously IS a sucker born
            every minute, and by got if there isn’t a high population density of them
            calling themselves AnCaps.

            Goddam ya’ll are stupid.

          • RabbleRabble

            Or the Mafia!

          • Roy J Lores

            Governments are the biggest mafia there is…

          • RabbleRabble

            How old are you?

          • Roy J Lores

            Probably older than you, and yes government works like the mafia, it does everything through violence, they even have law of omerta need I go on?

          • RabbleRabble

            So…Peter Pan syndrome then?

          • Roy J Lores

            So says the one who thinks coercion, violence, mass murder and perpetual war by his god the state is the way to utopia. LOL

      • Nick Bissanti

        do it yourself, you dont need police to investigate and bring justice, thats just their front to make people feel better about having a uniformed bully forcing them to live under their rule

        • Patrick Cosgrove

          Ruh-roh, we got ourselves a do it yourselfer. Okay Nick, youve been recovering from gunshot wounds for three weeks, but now you’re alllll better and ready for some pay back. Tell me, what’s the first thing you do in order to find your family’s slayer? Where does your investigation begin?

          • Nick Bissanti

            That all depends on the situation, really, who knows, maybe you would be my top suspect! I GOT GOONZ NIGGA

        • DaveS69

          Really? What do you need, then?

    • no

      without some system of social justice the politicians and richest people of the country would pay people off with luxury to murder your and take your land/resources. they wouldn’t even have to pay off many people now and days they have drones and rockets. your would be dead or you would be the bitch of a group of dictators. haven’t you seen third world countries. Africa/Pakistan/Syria. how much time do you spend farming, creating electricity, and filtering water. you definitely wouldn’t have internet access. Your perfectly organized idea of anarchy is an illusion.

  • FattTony

    I think Walmart is just as evil and deserves to be destroyed also. CiCi’s can stay… for now

  • FattTony

    Actually, let’s just kill everyone! Nature will know what to do

  • Barbara Archer

    it’s never “good news” for 2 people to die, they were having a meal, not beating down a citizen…while I watch your site and support pushback against the militarization of the police, I do not support celebrating the death of police officers…we should value human life, or we become less human ourselves …this devaluation of human life is exactly what is happening in police departments across our country..we cannot become like them

  • chris

    Funny thing is you think you can but people aren’t as smart as they think they are.

  • TJ

    The Police are trained to never trust the public why am I supposed to trust the Police? Sadly the Militarization of the law enforcement is only going to increase the mistrust between civilians and LEO’s.

    LE REVOLUTION!!!

    • no

      you seem like the kind of dumb cunt that would tie a brick to themselves and shout while wildly shooting in the name of social change. then what? you fight forever? when you play the victim card all the time there will always be someone to make you the victim. you think any of the people who make corrupt laws and allow police to get away with more than the public will fight in your “revolution.” They won’t, they will turn the brothers and sisters of people murdered in the name of your fake ass revolution to throw more people at you. if you really cared about social change you would dedicate your energy towards achieving it. not being some a whiney victim cunt on the internet. you would go to hearing for corrupt cops and demand fair treatment or you would work to impeach corrupt judges. instead you spend your time preaching superiority. you’re a cunt

  • chris

    I’d hate the world to be in control of people who think like this this world would turn into a wasteland.

  • petulantes

    I cant agree with you on it being a good thing ( two dead cops) either we know nothing about them.. What does strike me as odd, why would two lemmings start a revolution inside CICI’s with kids all over??? ONLY a spook ‘exercise ‘ would be so dumb! Why hack up two low level minions at a cheap ass lunch place .. I would not waste ammo or my life on that..And I don’t think along those terms usually , it MAKES NO SENSE

  • Nancy

    I agree,but people need to stand together.The problem there is when they do,here comes THE GOVERNMENT to call them terrorist cells or whatever to give validation to kill more FREE AMERICANS.

  • Jennifer Sheffield

    So you are saying the men that selfishly ran into a hostile environment, not knowing if they would make it out alive to their own families or not, for ME, where bad people. The men and women that RESCUED me from abuse, rape, no food or electricity, horrible living condition and a drug user and distributor of a mother where bad people because your hurt you got a ticket? I’m sorry. I find you a disgusting coward hiding behind your computer screen screaming the second amendment You are a disgrace to the the country I am so proud to be a part of! I will FOREVER appreciate the men and women who serve and PROTECT! You may be upset that people are arrested for having drugs, while I rejoice! You know why? Drugs single handed destroyed my mother. Destroyed my family and cause MANY abusive moments in my life. You agree with it or not, drugs are illegal. “Cops” are just doing their jobs! They suit up every morning in hopes they can stop a wreck from happening by pulling that speeder over, they can save a child from abuse by answering that domestic dispute call, hope they can put a bad person behind bars so that the innocent remain innocent. You sir, are a coward. I dare you to watch your home be broken into while your wife and son are held a gun point and not call them for your aid. Let’s see how bad “cops” are then!!

  • Cindy Sobotka Root

    Wow, it amazes me how if even one (or a few) police do something wrong, then suddenly ALL police are bad or corrupt. Doesn’t anyone out there wonder why the world doesn’t feel the same about all professions or positions in life? If one Dad is a deadbeat, how come all Dads aren’t belittled and put down by the world, calling them all deadbeats and saying no Dad is good? If one nurse mistreats a patient, then why aren’t ALL nurses viewed as evil or bad? When one child misbehaves why aren’t ALL children considered bad and ungovernable? If one doctor abused a patient then why doesn’t the world condemn ALL doctors as being abusers? These examples apply to EVERY walk of life!!!! So here’s a thought, why don’t we all stop hating groups of people responsible for the actions of just some of it’s members and hold individuals responsible for their own actions?

    • RabbleRabble

      Small minds have trouble compartmentalizing. That’s why we have racists as well.

    • James Simpson

      All cops are bad because they do not go after the bad cops. When was the last time you saw a “good cop” arrest a corrupt cop?

      They just sit and watch it happens, which is as good as making them accomplices.

      Also, they enforce the rules of a massive gang. They permit theft and murder by the government.

  • william wallace

    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make a violent revolution inevitable but I believe it can be done peacfully as long as we have rifles in our hands so we dont become victims of our great police state

    • Right

      Feel free to revolt whenever you want. The sooner we get your DNA out of the gene pool, the better.

  • Douglas Carter

    I personally just puked in my mouth over the vile comments you made here regarding the cowardly homicide of three people today, two of which were police officers… I will tell you this, and listen good…

    To YOU OR ANYONE who has something negative to say against the two people murdered today because they were police officers, I have NO USE FOR YOU! You are terrorists! Nothing more… Unfortunately, even ignorant degenerate members of society are afforded free speech under the Constitution, but I refuse to listen…

    I have been to many, many funerals of law enforcement officers… Ones who were robbed from us, and ones who robbed us of more time with them. Either way, these honorable brothers and sisters may have fallen, but will never be forgotten, and I’ll be damned if I allow someone to forsake any of their honor.

    To those heroes “on the job”: thank you for everything you do, known and unknown… You know I love you all from now until the coffin closes and beyond. Please be safe… I got a place for you at the table tomorrow and forever.

    • TJ

      You are a fucking tool, these two paid for jack booted thugs did nothing personally but represent a much bigger problem which is an abusive over reaching Govt, both local and Federal.

      In any conflict rarely do you see two people fighting that have a personal issue with each other directly, your comments, like the rest here are emotionally charges bullshit.

      Cops need to police their own, just like we are required to call the cops when a citizen goes off the reservation. It works both ways.

      Now in true chickenshit Govt fashion they are now trying to tie this shooting to the Bundy’s which of course is bullshit but you water carrying slaves just dont get it.

      • Douglas Carter

        Thanks! Appreciate your opinion.

        • TJ

          For the record, I have relatives in Law enforcement, they tell me also they see a trend in the new recruits lack of even the smallest bit of civility towards the civilian population.

          Its not to late to LEO’s to try an reverse this trend, people genuinely want to trust LEO’s but a few bad apples, and finding that wrong one who be fatal for someone, whats a citizen to do?

    • matthew Foley

      I’m sure that people went to the funerals of many many people went to S.S. funerals as well…after all those scum bags were told to enforce law and order as well.
      Being a badge wearing thug doesn’t make you above morality.
      They are being judged as we speak by a much higher authority …in hell.

      • Douglas Carter

        Thank you for your opinion.

  • DaveS69

    I sincerely hope you develop terminal cancer and experience a slow, agonizingly painful death.

  • Guest

    Your article is shit. Learn to write something people want to read, not your propaganda BULLSHIT.

    • matthew Foley

      I love to read his stuff, you must too since your here reading it

  • Cody Ladiges

    Your article is shit. Learn to write something people want to read, not your propaganda BULLSHIT. christopher cantwell is a FUCKING TOOL and anyone who follows and likes this crap is even more of a loser.

  • George West

    There is a hairs difference between Intelligence and insanity.

    • no

      this article is insanely dumb. so you rid the world of all police…. then what? then you will be bombed and made the bitch of the small group of people with the most resources. people don’t see how good our current system really is because they are too busy blaming everyone else for their problems. sure some of our laws are fucked, but many of the people on here spend 0 time trying to fix these laws while the people who put them in place work 10+ hours daily to protect their interests. FUCK THIS SITE read books instead of this whiney cunts blog.

      • George West

        I agree. He crosses over to the insanity side. He sounds intelligent but is not.

  • jpor

    “The good news is, two cops are dead.”

    As much as I despise the police and think they are a threat to our rights and privacy, I will never see the cowardly killing of the police a good thing. You my friend are just an ass!

  • George West

    You’re right in the fact there are cops out there that do the wrong thing. YOU ARE RIGHT. But also have enough sense to understand that there are also good cops. I can’t believe anyone who would truly believe this article. To say things such as “All cops are bad and need to be dead” is ridiculous. You specifically said, “the good news is that two cops are dead”. Now you may have been treated wrongly by SOME cops but you have never been treated wrongly by ALL cops. So don’t go around saying all cops are bad when you have never even met them, much less been mistreated by them. Your statement that “all cops are bad” would be like saying something as ludicrous as “all people are bad” Yes that includes you sir. So we all need to be either jailed or killed right? Wrong. No matter how many articles you make you can’t prove that all cops are bad. Simply because not all of them are bad. I think it’s good that you aren’t telling others they should sacrifice their own lives to exterminate the police but look what you’re promoting. It’s all “revolution” against them. You even contemplated it once. Your post even includes where two extremists gun downed two cops. Do you know if those cops were good or bad? Did you know them personally? Don’t let this turn into another extremist group such as Al-Qaeda that also say things similarly to you. Like “All Americans are bad”. Look at the group you are falling into. Rather than victimize all the cops post about the cops who you know through evidence have done wrong things and need to be locked up also I think you should promote and lift up the ones who do good and try their best to serve and look out for others.

  • Dan Witham

    these two have done more than your drunk ass has Chris.

  • Kill Christopher Cantwell

    You are a true coward. Cowards always get what they get too. I bet you had a real easy life clown. Having no real experience of hard ship and how evil this world can really be . You’ve never had to endure or been in a situation where you would lay down and die like the coward bitch you are instead of standing up how few men have and ENDURE what they have endured and continue to endure daily. No man is perfect or should be held to the standard that society looks at our law enforcement. Especially when they are in charge keeping the evil mother fuckers like you in check.

  • jpor

    Way to go! Any post that disagrees with you is deleted almost immediately. Too much of a coward to stand up to criticism?

  • Guest

    FUCK CHRISTOPHER CANTWELL. He’s a pussy.

  • Kill Christopher Cantwell

    Take a look at this clown. No wonder he hates the world. Dudes a fucking joke.

  • jpor

    You are pretty quick, lets see how quick you are!

  • Kill Christopher Cantwell

    Why are you censoring opposed views . You think you stand for something free and true. You don’t stand for anything. You are a coward.

    • Heather Ward

      I was just reading a post and he edited it… coward. All of a sudden he is changing it up. As far as I am concerned hiss comments encouraging ppl to kill cops is a form of terrorism.

      • Roy J Lores

        But cops doing all this is not! I got some cheese from the moon to sell you with that.

        • Heather Ward

          Cops aren’t going around singling out groups of ppl telling others to kill them….

          • Roy J Lores

            No they are just killing raping and maiming in the name of your god the state.

          • lberns

            You’re right. They do their own killing.

        • no

          why don’t you go to the hearings of those cops and make sure they are held responsible? why don’t your rally the public to petition to hold them responsible? why don’t you do something REAL, besides just talk shit on the internet? because you don’t give a fuck honestly, you just want something to blame and bitch about.

          • Kitties nRainbows

            It’s impossible to hold cops responsible, that’s the whole point. They have qualified immunity and special rules that set them above the rest of us. And that’s if you can even get the DA to look at the case.

            There’s just no accountability among police anymore, if there ever once was.

          • no

            yeah both of you have dedicated a lot of time and effort to fixing this problem huh? or do you spend your time bitching about it to a community of whiney faggots on the internet? you do nothing to fix the system but bitch, while the servants of the system work 8+ hours a day protecting it. killing a few servants of the system won’t change anything, and complaining about them definitely won’t change anything. do you think oppression by the ruling class is a new thing? you are lucky to live in america were the extent of your oppression is being able to bitch on the internet everyday. it’s foolish to think the way to solve this oppression is violent revolution or overthrow of the government. if that is the answer be ready to be made the complete bitch of a much more powerful, much more oppressive ruler. If you think you are a victim now typing on the internet in your air conditioned house what do you think would happen under a no holds bar oppressive rule. you might have guns but you don’t have jets, predator drones, or guided rockets.

          • Roy J Lores

            So the injured parties if any survived are paid with stolen loot and your deity’s stormtroopers can happily go on murdering, raping and maiming in the name of your god the state, no thanks!

  • Kill Christopher Cantwell

    Yeah Im about to get a whole slew off people rippin your ass

  • jpor

    I am posting this article to every PRO – POLICE page I can find!

  • jpor

    And CNN, MSNBC, FOX etc……

  • jpor

    Plus we will see what the LVPD thinks about your freedom of speech! Bwahahaha. I hope they publicly humiliate your ignorant ass.

  • jpor

    You wanted attention? You are about to get it, My list includes al jazeera, the RT network (Russian TV) and many more! Hahahaha, you will be famous before the 6 o’clock news!

  • jpor

    Oh, and don’t think about changing anything, I saved the page, plus screen captured it.

    • Roy J Lores

      Good luck with that. RT and Aljazeera are far more interested in police abuse than some Anarchist blog you should go directly to MSNBC but they probably will be more interested n Justin Bieiber or Kanye West latest exploits. LOL

      • jpor

        I absolutely agree with you, they are not interested in one asshat the likes of Christopher. He just wants attention, so I am trying to give him the attention he deserves! Hahaha. Which is not much.

      • jpor

        Oh, plus he is just a coward that won’t even do the things that he promotes.

      • jpor

        He is just a coward that does not even have the nuts to go out and do the things that he promotes!

  • Cwbintennessee Michael Winton

    This is the biggest load of horseshit I’ve ever read in my life.
    You could’ve written an article about a horse taking a shit and this article would still be more horseshit than an actual article of a horse shitting.

    Congrats on being the craziest person ever. K bye. block me from commenting , idgaf. Just wanted to let the writer know they’re insane. But most crazy people don’t know they are but I tried anyway.

  • Kitties nRainbows

    Lots of butthurt trolls on this thread. Good job, lol =)

    • no

      nice community of victimized, ignorant cunts on this site. Good job =)

      • Kitties nRainbows

        Aw, poor baby.

  • jpor

    Oh, He is just a coward that does not even have the nuts to go out and do the things that he promotes!

  • jpor

    He is just a coward that does not even have the nuts to go out and do the things that he promotes!

  • jpor

    oh, He is just a coward that does not even have the nuts to go out and do the things that he promotes!

  • jpor

    By the way, He is just a coward that does not even have the nuts to go out and do the things that he promotes!

  • jpor

    Also, He is just a coward that does not even have the nuts to go out and do the things that he promotes!

  • jpor

    I can do this all day long! I am retired.

  • jpor

    He is just a coward that does not even have the nuts to go out and do the things that he promotes!

  • jpor

    OH,He is just a coward that does not even have the nuts to go out and do the things that he promotes!

  • vivahumanity

    I am not sure how you could be so absolute in your opinion. I hate cops
    as much as the next person, but we have no idea if these cops were good
    or bad.
    As far as the notion that All Cops are Bastards (even if it
    were true) only serves to strengthen the unity between cops. If citizens
    start a campaign founded on the basis that Some Cops are Bastards we
    have a chance 0f splintering/dividing the opposition by pinning good
    cops against bad cops. We should set up some sort of protection so good
    cops can speak out anonymously without the fear of retaliation from the
    bad cops. The idea is to create a division within the ranks so
    eventually cops look down and even report other cops for not protecting
    and following the Constitution.
    S.C.A.B (some cops are bastards)! Let’s polarize police stations! Give good cops a platform and protection and condemn/persecute/prosecute bad cops.

  • Ken Campbell

    Boon county KY a 28 yr old GANG THUG ( cop ) climbed up on the hood of a car and shot four ( 4 ) times into a UNARMED 19 year old female child … fortunately he did not hit any of the other three ( 3 ) that was in the car ! Guess what they did to the Gang THUG ( cop ) ….. ? ( NOTHING ) it is open season on ( GANG THUGS ) in Boon co KY !

  • no

    I joined this joke of a website to see if anyone had any substance to their arguments and so far I have found none. Just statistics like “the police have murdered x many people since year x.” or citing atrocities they have committed. It’s obvious laws, judges, cops, and many other aspects of our society at time often oppress the common people but this has happened through out history. violent revolt and revolution won’t solve anything it will only leave a place for a new more ruthless oppression to take. the idea of a society regulated by the people will never work and has never worked even Indians had chiefs. People will always unethically try to gain the upper hand, this should be obvious on a website full of people claiming to be victims by a relatively tame society. ANARCHISTS, IF YOU KNOW OF A SOCIETY THAT HAS EXISTED WITHOUT REGULATION PLEASE TELL ME? Technology makes this especially impossible. If this were to happen now those with food, gas, water, infrastructure to provide all of these things, and all the other common luxuries of today, they would leverage them and defend them with weaponry much more advanced than your guns. If you wanted to use their things you would have to do anything they wanted or you would have to go without all of the luxuries we have today. that means no more complaining on the internet. DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THERE IS A BETTER SYSTEM PLEASE TELL ME IF YOU DO? ALSO WHAT IS YOUR PREFERRED METHOD TO REACH THIS SYSTEM? it’s good to bring the atrocities of the police to public view, but if you stop there and do nothing but blame you are not fixing anything. If you believe killing cops will do anything you are just adding more reason to oppress by those who are misled by the system. It is literally the job of people to protect the current system, many people work 8+ hours a day to do so. Actual change towards a better system will take dedication, hard work, and most of all education. Simply complaining on the internet and holding animosity against the systems misled servants will do nothing. Murder is always wrong and by coming together to rally against police violence with violence against the police you are just as atrocious as the most corrupt police. I am hoping for some kind of real thoughtful response by people who support this website, but if not I’m done with this site. there are much better things you can be learning and things you can be putting your energy into than crying victim on some hateful website. Christopher if you really care about creating a better society you should change up your game plan, otherwise i think you are better off dead.

    • Kitties nRainbows

      How did you join this website?

  • Gregory Galindo

    I’ll repost it again, what is this trash? Seriously, we get it, you hate cops and you sympathize with the anarchist from what it sounds like, I mean its in your title at as well, so I can only assume, reading this article, was a waste of time along with making this comment, your rendition of the whole thing looks like an angry 13 year old wrote it while he tries his best to stick it to the “MAN”. It’s funny and contradicting when you call yourself a anarchist and your have a blog. What happened to those men that believe it or not fight to keep the REAL anarchist and criminals away, died for a pointless cause, because some teenagers decided to play batman

  • Jimmy Voltron

    I gotta disagree with you here, Chris. Consider this: the police in the United States have personally harassed and victimized nearly each and every citizen. Men, women, and children of all races, creeds, colors, economic status have been bullied and robbed and framed and murdered by cops with impunity, and if somebody has been lucky enough to avoid such abuse, then they still know friends and family who have. This sort of brutal tyranny unites people like nothing else and the blowback is severe. And this is what we are seeing now. I saw this coming a few years ago, and it IS a revolution. It’s open season on the brutal apparatus of the state AKA pigs. They picked the wrong side. Sucks to be them but I’m all out of pity.

    • Kitties nRainbows

      And they can quit any time. No one is holding a gun to their head forcing them to be cops.

  • Calum Markel Goodman-Brownlee

    Murder is sad and humans are humans.

  • Andrew

    I find this article very manipulative and extreme. I know good cops who have personally helped me by disregarding outrageous laws in order to bring justice to a situation. Good cops are everywhere, but unfortunately they are surrounded by corruption. I think it is silly to take a position so extreme

  • Jason Yonda

    I have to say this. Normally I just lurk and read what other people say, but in this situation I have to give my opinion. I think this article is fucking retarded. This is not a case of freedom fighters overtaking a corrupt government. This is cold hearted murder masquerading as an act of liberty. These 2 officers were simply eating lunch at a pizzeria. Normally I feel disdain toward police due to current events. Yes I feel that police are getting out of hand recently, and yes I believe we need to fight back during acts of police harassment. This does not mean that I support blatant murder without a justifiable cause. These two shooters are scum. They felt the need to murder two innocent people (yes I just called the police in this situation “innocent people” because in this occasion they were innocent since they did not provoke the attack) for their own righteous cause. My heart goes out to the two officers and one innocent bystander for their untimely demise. As for the two shooters, my heart goes to their families.

  • link2728

    There is NO such thing as a good cop! Any individual or group of individuals that take it upon themselves to harm, coerce through force, murder, or kidnap and cage individuals for any reason other than retaliation for direct harm to another is acting in direct violation of the natural human laws we all know to be true. They have no right to do any of it. The concept of a cop is a violation in and of itself. Is that so hard to understand? If I decided to go and kidnap someone, hold them in a cage, force them to pay me money I did not earn, all because I decided it was ok, because I or a group of people who stood with me said it was, would you stand with me? Can any of you say that is ok? If you can, there is no helping you.

    • no

      ok there is no police. if a group of heavily armed criminals people came to your city and decided that they were going to take what ever they want, kill who ever they want, and do what ever they want would you not create a group of your own armed individuals to kill or capture them. do you think it is possible to have no police?

      • link2728

        That is a logical fallacy. If someone is harming you, you have a right to defend yourself. In no other circumstance does a man have a right to harm anyone. A man does not even have a right to protect someone unless they ask it of him. No man can act on behalf of someone unless they request it, and the person to protect also agrees. It’s called a mutual contract. A meeting of the minds as they say. It is possible to have no cops my friend. You and I are both sane individuals. Do you not believe and have faith in your brothers and sisters enough to know that we can have a world based purely on voluntary interactions?

        • no

          i have no doubt that you and I could easily live in a society with no police, but what about people who decide to rob for food because they do not have the money to pay for it. the impoverished join together to work towards a goal, in that case it would be the goal of doing what ever it takes to get food. while i think we could live with no police I do not think the same for less fortunate, less educated people. such as a large portion of residents of cities like Detroit, Compton, and countless others. look at pirates in Somalia. then there is always someone who has an excess of things and decides to manipulate the less fortunate into doing their bidding. some sort of combined effort is needed. no one person can combat the combined effort of a gang, this is what feeds gang mentality.

          • lberns

            Fucking idiots parroting stupid Mad Max scenarios.

            “We need a violent gang of parasitic thugs to protect us from the possibility of being taken over by a violent gang of parasitic thugs.”

            The stupid circular logic of your average state worshiping douchebag never ceases to amaze.

          • no

            @iberns I worship nothing you cunt. I hate the state as it currently is and have been victim of it plenty of times, odds are more than you have but that is not important. you think some kind of perfect society would fall in place if police were removed? this has never been the case anywhere in history, there are always people would join together because they feel they are being taken advantage of and there are always people who leverage their abundance to pull the strings of them by providing them just enough to control them. you probably live in a nice ass part of town kept under control of police. if you lived in the worse parts of the U.S. or other counties with no law you as an individual would not last. your shit would be taken from you. police reform and accountability is the answer not abolition. do you know of one society in history that has not had some sort of enforced structure?

          • lberns

            Suck an egg, state worshiping mother fucker! You advocate forcing me to use a service you want at the point of a gun then make up every excuse to justify the threat. The only ones I need to fear in a stateless society are fear mongering asshats like you.

          • no

            no one is forcing you to do shit, your complying by sitting on the computer whining like a bitch. you need to fear ignorance and jumping to conclusions based on ignorant ideology.

          • lberns

            I don’t want to pay for your “police” and I’m not moving to Somalia. What then?

          • link2728

            I see your question. But in a community of individuals interacting voluntarily, do you believe that our compassion for one another would not prevent the terrible state of affairs that government creates? In a society of voluntary interaction we all take care of ourselves. If we have trouble doing so, we can ask for help. Asking for help, and receiving it in a voluntary fashion is just. A group of men taking your money by force to give to those who do not have it is not. We as humans, without the greed that government divisiveness perpetuates are compassionate by nature. Without the greed and false value we place on the junk we own, and the fiat money we use, we have no reason not to share freely. We do that by our own free will.

          • no

            I had to burst your bubble but not everyone has compassion for everyone else. to take care of our selves we would have to grow our own food, filtered our own water, and give up on the common luxuries we all use today. who is going to mine the materials to build electricity/internet infrastructure just out of compassion for each other? This would be a great society with no greed, no money, and no violence where everyone took care of each other, but but no entire country in the world is yet ready for this. it is a change so drastic that it would take a lifetime of education of everyone, not just abolition of police and military.

          • link2728

            Agreed lol. There would be growing pains. I certainly would never claim that it could be done overnight. My main point is, we are actually headed in the complete opposite direction. We as a whole should not do that, well…. because it’s not good for us. Opening any individual mind up to the possibility of something different, whatever it may be, is the most important thing of all.

          • no

            the society described is a good goal to aim towards. we definitely need to open up to the possibility of something different. it is annoying how quick people are to cling to the ways of history, older people especially. at least now more than ever more people are open to new shifts in society. there really are less police brutality occurrences they are just caught more often and more widely publicized. things truly are getting better as people get more educated, but hateful blaming won’t solve anything. it will only set us back from true change.

        • Cyle Rippey

          Absurd, surely you don’t mean to say that chivalry isn’t dead? Weren’t you aware that most of our populace simply act out of their uncontrolled emotions like animals do?

          What you state, even though it is an absolutely wonderful and beautiful dream, is nothing more then that, a dream.

          Mankind is too irrational, to convicted in whatever is going on in an individual mind for this to be possible, we have too much built up “Society” as we call it, in the name of “Progress” for it to even be a thought spoken as commonly as getting a cup of coffee.

          We are too emotional, to bias, to diverse for it to work, and most of all to fearful of what we don’t understand, and what we can’t see we can’t understand, who’s to know what your crazy next door neighbor is actually thinking about doing with his day?

          Or the state of your mind being compromised due to some disease, or damage you were unaware of, and you just one day snap and kill a bunch of people, or start hurting puppies or whatever have you.

          Use your own examples if you must, there must have been a time where you lost control of your judgment and did something completely irrational out of anger?

          This is where the quote “The people want to be Governed” come’s to mind, they do, they want something there that is above reproach to handle these acts of injustice from any and all sources, they want to feel safe in their beds when they get home from work, they want to know they have people out there watching out for them from other people.

          But they also don’t want their privacy, or human rights trampled on, or forgotten entirely.

          So, I say this, if your a sane individual as you claim to be, then why would you suggest something that cannot work logically with the number of people we have currently living in the world today?

          Your ideal isn’t new, it was founded back when man was nothing more then tribes, and it worked well that way, we were actually much better as tribal communities then we ever will be as a society, but tribal mindsets will not help with 8.2 billion people in the world, it just won’t as much as I’d like it to, it is impossible.

          Unless of course two thirds of the populace would just die out, then it would, but I don’t think that’ll happen in my life time.

          I implore you to think bigger, we need more people like yourself thinking about how to solve these various problems and actually making head way to solve them, so please don’t take this as me trolling you, I simply just want you to think harder and converse in a meeting of minds as you put it.

          • lberns

            Yes, people are too emotional and irrational, so we need to take some of these emotional and irrational people and put them into positions of power to keep people from being emotional and irrational.

            Stupid statist circular logic example number 2.

          • link2728

            Most people do not recognize that the worst of human nature is brought out in individuals forced to participate in systems run by the worst of individuals. It is the system that exemplifies the sickness and negatives. Especially the american government (so called). Intentionally breeding sickness, or at least pretending it exists in the eyes of the People. We are brought up believing that the circular logic is legitimate, and NEVER to question it. Can we blame anyone but the creators of the information taught?

          • lberns

            Only if you continue to believe they have the authority to do what they do, otherwise they are nothing more than a gang of parasitic thugs that should be dealt with accordingly.

          • link2728

            100% agree.

          • link2728

            Ah, but remember, ultimately people are that way. Not a person. If we act in a voluntary way, we do not develop bias towards much because there is no legitimate opposition. If someone disagrees in a voluntary community, so be it. They part ways. I believe that the majority of these mental diseases, biases, fears of one another (especially ones own neighbor), are a direct effect of society and government as a whole. I do agree that the concept is much larger than the scope of these conversations, and there are MANY more aspects of a legitimate working society than we could discuss or hope to plan here today. But, in the most basic of recognition by all, governments are not just. They never have been, whether ruled by an emperor, president, secretly elected body of representatives, queen, etc. It is evident in every corner of the world. Remember also that the apathy of the people is bred by government. We cannot make a legitimate determination on whether people innately want to be governed because those that are being governed do not know another way.

      • Kitties nRainbows

        Groups of heavily armed criminals that try to take over are called “governments”.

        • no

          yep that is what the most organized and advanced groups of heavily armed criminals are called. they have existed since the creation of civilization because they are effective at what they do. if it wasn’t for our government a new one would happily take its place. I don’t think it would magically be a better, nicer government.

          • Kitties nRainbows

            Thing change, human cultures evolve. We can evolve past allowing armed gangs to herd us like cattle.

    • Cyle Rippey

      Agree fully, if we try to fight with the same fire they use against us we’re no better then them, worse even for lowering ourselves to such a level of savagery we would no doubt have to, to succeed. Murder is murder, openly shooting on an officer is the same as openly shooting at a school, or at unarmed people, it matters not what uniform they wear.

      We should Police ourselves, we shouldn’t have to have a Police force as a job listing, we should all do it on our own with no fear of doing the right thing, but we don’t.

      I see no happy ending here, none, we will fight it out like our ancestors did and the people that are left standing will write the story… However, the state of affairs we are in drove these two to openly fire on Police Officers, the act in itself may have been wrong, but their motivation probably wasn’t unfounded.

      • link2728

        I like your opinions sir. You understand the non – aggression principle. It is unjust to harm anyone who has not legitimately harmed you. If the harm is not to your person, the only legitimate recourse is reparation, because of harm to your property or liberty. Unless the individual officer caused the harm, there is no just cause to injure him. However, as you say, there really is no happy (just) ending. As they press harder and harder on the People, the People will lash out unjustly.

  • Cyle Rippey

    I am a US Marine, disabled and retired, trained to kill not to play nice or write about “Feelings” However I’ve learned at a young age that using your brain is much more useful then just shooting first and asking questions later.

    Who know’s if those two cops deserved to die, do I deserve to die because I served this countries Government in it’s attempts to further it’s hidden causes? If that’s how you see it, then yes, I do, but you’ll need people like me, if not me myself to help with the people that don’t defend themselves, or won’t rather for whatever self endowed reason they have to let themselves be nothing more then sheep.

    I agree with you on your views, greatly, the state of our country is falling apart and has been for decades.

    We have a president who openly commits treasonous actions against our country and is still in office, even got re-elected.

    We have to start with those who have no ambition to know what’s going on around them, we have to educate the sheep, by doing so we will have killed two birds with one stone.

    First, we will have redistributed “Power” to an individual level by making the individuals care, and aware of their basic human rights and more so, they will know they have no reason to be afraid, they now have support.

    Secondly, we will have lessened the Government’s power tremendously over the people because they are no longer ignorant or uncaring of their actions.

    However, killing is killing, the only right way to kill is not too and I’ve killed, I should know how ugly War is, I went.

    You don’t win by killing, sure, it’s the fastest solution but leaves nothing but hate, and more war in the future.

    If we want to change the world, we have to change it all, from the foundation up, Hospitals, Congress, State by state law, everything has to change not just Cops, or Democracy, or whatever have you, all of it has to change.

    Today we do nothing more then work, eat sleep and reproduce , that’s it, our daily function as people.

    We boycott our jobs, all of us, there is not more tax, there is no more government, there is no more machine.

    With out us, the grease that lubricates these structured idea’s, the government has no more power then that of hollowed words, and idle threats.

    We out number them, we don’t have to kill them or meet them with force for the Government to listen and bow to our demands, we are them, we pay their bills, pass their laws, we LET them walk all over us and do whatever they fucking please because we are comfortable.

    The majority, don’t care as long as they have three meals a day, can feed their family as well, and make enough money to pay for their luxuries, I.E, Hot water, internet, phone, electricity, car, home, and food they don’t care about how they get it, as long as they get theirs.

    Our Government realized this and with the promise of safety, and a place to go to get treatment for injuries they have given the people exactly what they wanted in exchange for their rule over them.

    Power has been established through lies, people not caring who sits in office, and buy into the bullshit no matter what’s going on.

    Now, I’m not saying everyone does, but there aren’t enough of us who care or know about what our Government is doing to change shit, unless you want to be labeled a Terrorist in your own country and be on the run for the rest of your life by doing guerrilla war tactics, which will happen they will just use the media and whatever other means they have to make you the next face they make a martyr of.

    In what pursuit of liberty and justice does being a martyr help? Especially when your not even seen as a martyr, your seen as a terrorist for your actions with out your actions being explained.

    Talk is cheap my friend, and openly killing Government officials of any caliber isn’t going to do anything but speed up the civil war, there is no revolutionary design there, it’s War and whomever has the larger numbers, and more weapons, and who doesn’t run out of those numbers first will claim “Victory” even though in war there are no winners.

    Instead of going to war, why not let us do this, take back control of our Government as it should be, by whatever means we can with out killing.

    Then from there why don’t we do what our fore fathers would’ve wanted, true equality, then lets spread it to the rest of the world.

    But we need to sit down, talk, come up with a solid plan to do this all without loss of life, and work as America, not segregated states, and different laws per state, no more stupid bull shit like Police officers, we should police ourselves, shit I’m better with a gun then most Officers are anyhow, why the hell would I want some one besides myself with a gun.

    No more credit cards, no more stupid shit that can be corrupted through man, period.

    However, it’s nearly impossible to do, to make everyone accountable instead of just a branch of our Government, or it as a whole, people find it hard to believe that the state America is currently in is their own fucking faults.
    Not an easy pill to swallow mind you, think about it, for the last 200 years, and it’s all our fault? Hard to take isn’t it?
    But it’s true, through the laws established back then, we allowed Government to much power once again, take a look at history, what the fuck always happens? Lot’s of people die in war over bullshit, and petty nonsense like their beliefs.

    Let me tell you something about belief, it’s a great and wonderful thing until it’s used to kill, I don’t care what it is, theology, ethnic class, annual income, it doesn’t matter what the belief is there’s always some one who thinks it should be different and will do whatever it takes to make it so.

    Including wipe out any and all opposing parties…

    The Government will be no different, though they may have trouble making any active duty Marine shoot a Veteran of any branch, it will still happen unless we think of something new to bring to the table.

    There are so many things to take into account, from global policy, to the state of poverty in our own country to look at and try to fix, and it all has to be tackled at once, not just bit by bit, it all has to be changed from the ground up at the same exact time.

    But who’s the man or woman who can do this, make it happen, and it work for every one?

    Instead of killing people, no matter what they belong too, I couldn’t care if you were part of the fucking KKK, granted that kind of narrow minded nonsense shouldn’t be tolerated, but let me finish here, this is getting long winded and it’s starting to irritate me as I feel I start to water down my points the more I explain.

    Back too the KKK comment, your still a person, and you still have a voice, should it not be heard even if it’s stupid?

    We need to take all things into account, every voice, every hand, every sick and twisted unjust fuck, every sick, healthy, happy, sad human being in this fucked up world we live in, and change it, listen to everyone, take out what won’t work or shouldn’t be as a group, make a choice based on everyone’s opinion and fucking stick with it no matter what the outcome.

    • Kitties nRainbows

      One interesting thing is that this criminal government long ago ran out of tax money to pay for their schemes each year. When that happened, they started borrowing money to fund it. When that failed, they started printing money to cover the gap.

      The fact that they will never run out of money, and have not yet run into rampant inflation, has emboldened the politicians and other low lives who control things in ways we’ve never seen before. They think they are invincible and will start acting up even more in the future.

      They are going to make things very ugly in the near future to try to keep a lid on an an imploding system, as they are doing with these foreign adventures like Afghanistan and meddling in Ukraine. The problem is that WE will shoulder the costs and the blame for their out of control egos. And it’s very difficult to see a sane way to stop their violence from where we are right now.

      • Cyle Rippey

        Your very astute.

        And absolutely correct, the American average will shoulder the mistakes of their government that they put in place in the first place.

        History should have wised us all up, but it didn’t, and it’s now bound to repeat itself…

        First they will do all they can to disarm the public of any and all weapons that can be used against them, which they are slowly doing now.
        Then they will establish ridiculous laws.

        Then they will establish Martial law.

        Then we will go to civil war, because at that point every one who wouldn’t fight has already been rounded up, and those who are fighting will have gone underground to form a resistance.

        Then who know’s, we might win, we might loose, but at the end will it truly be any different then it was? Probably a lot worse for a good couple decades as we pull ourselves out from the dark ages, and the invasions of other countries that is sure to follow.

        They already have run into rampant inflation, take a look at US gas prices currently on the rise, sin tax at it’s highest in history, taxation on the gen pop, highest it’s ever been, they are pulling money out of every pocket they can get their hands into just to stay floating, and it’s working, people are still going to their 9-5 jobs, still paying their taxs, still using their banks, still voting for their retarded laws, and delegates, still acting as if nothing is wrong, as if we weren’t in a dire depression currently rolling down hill at the speed of “OH FUCK”.

        We will collapse, or at least our way of life as we know it will.

        Once America falls to the absolute bottom, the rest of the world will also follow.
        Since we are one of the three main powers recognized, and since we have trades set up all over the globe, when all that stops every one will take a HUGE financial hit, it will be utter chaos until a solution is put into play and it works at this point.

        Which then it will most likely repeat itself, we will establish some form of Governance for our people, it will eventually become a monster, and eventually will be over thrown again and again and again until we find a better way that works for everyone, that also includes the rate we populate the world as well as our differences in views, religion, ethics, everything really.

        Whatever the reason, Man will find a way to start a new war, back in the dark ages it was a holy crusade, today, it is a global war on Terrorism, tomorrow it’ll be because they don’t smile like we do so they must be wrong.

        In any event, we need to just simply stop, we need to work together as a world now that we know there are no new lands to discover and lay claim too, and work towards better things like fixing this rock we all live on, or at least try to get the fuck off it before we go extinct from our own devices.

        We use up to many resources, we fight over nothing but idea’s, when in reality we are all people, we all bleed the same color and we should all be able to get along and who cares if he’s a christian, or she’s an athiest, so what?

        Who care’s if he think’s pro choice is okay, and she thinks pro life is the way to go, instead of trying to push off our ideals and beliefs why not just let it be up to the person? Who cares what some one else thinks about what they did… As long as it wasn’t one of the basic principles we all know to be right getting trampled on who cares?

        We debate and fight over things that have no weight in the real world, shit like the color of some shoes being good enough reason to be shot in certain area’s, too weather or not McDonalds is ethical, it’s ridiculous all of it…

        Who care’s if she want’s to dye her hair and put metal in her face, that’s her choice.

        It’s not like she raped some ten year old boy or anything right?

        We need to stop judging people based on outside appearances as well as stop assuming they are bad people because they disagree with a certain way of life.

        If some dude want’s to pray 20 times a day, whatever right? Black, white, Yellow, Green, doesn’t matter what color of skin you are does it?

        First we need to remove ignorance in whole from the entire world, these views such as “All Americans are ignorant and pompous insensitive pigs” and “All Muslims are terrorists” or, “All gun owners are unstable” need to stop, these many judgments, perhaps not the best examples, are why we continue down this self destructive path of fear and hate, we judge harshly and quickly with no room for anything other then the end thought, it doesn’t matter what it is, as simple as some nerdy kid getting pummeled and thrown in a lock because he’s different, all the way up to voting an idiot into office to lead our country.

        It all needs to change, and we need to open our minds up to new possibilities of a united humanity, a future we can all be proud of, and remove these nonsense constants that have greed as it’s main source of life.

        IE. Tobacco industry, Alcohol, Oil companies, Food companies, Credit cards, IRS, CPS, NDA, FDA, pretty much EVERYTHING in the state of the world is absolutely fucked and needs to be redone entirely, and a lot of people aren’t going to like it either.

        The wealthy who are comfortable, too bands being hero’s because they play music around the world…

        We need to seriously re-evaluate our entire species, and each individual policy’s there in in all countries, we need to completely remove Government, and set a series of changeable laws that all can follow without question, and if not done so huge penalties should also be in effect to reprimand those who don’t wish to follow the rest.

        I see no reason as to why this isn’t possible, why we must conquer in order to have like minded ideals, and a system…

        It’s all pathetic, and does our species no justice to cower behind petty things like one’s wealth as a reason to not change how things are.

        Well, I’ve went on long enough once again, essentially I just know deep down inside no matter what it’ll always end in war, and I am prepared to fight if I need to, but I really would rather not have to pick up a gun against anyone ever again unless I was defending myself, loved one’s, or home.

        Forget Government, they never had power any how, it’s just an illusion that the people put into place and gave it life, nothing more then another failed idea.

    • no

      Agreed! the fact that military and police are being mislead does not mean they are bad people. honestly the majority of them are great people put into a horrible situations. The fact that more soldiers than ever are seeing that they were misled is a great testament to changing times. the only way we can create real change is by learning, being better people ourselves, and using our time and energy to improve the system itself. A better system starts with individuals and continues to grow as far as those individuals are willing to work to make it grow. casting blame on the internet or committing acts of violence does nothing. thank you for serving and thank you for educating yourself and others.

  • fuck you

    Haha fuck cops and their stupid supporters kill them all

    • no

      i bet you are a completely self sufficient, inventor. high iq, visionary, creator. thanks your your ingenious incite. your original thinking will improve the lives of many.

  • no

    fuck this gay ass site, especially this article. @christophercantwell:disqus you’ve grouped together a lot of short sighted people who think saying fuck the police makes them an asset to social change. just as the popular media dick rides justin beiber and duck dynasties you are dick riding the fact of police violence, while doing little for real change. bringing atrocities to light is great and things are improving despite all fear mongering, but creating a haven for shortsighted ignorant ideology is not step in the right direction. I hope you and all the poor victims of this horrible police state we all blog in educate themselves and work for real social change, but you will probably just keep acting like you’re victims.

  • Sondra peterson

    It doesn’t matter if your a cop or a school teacher there is good and bad in all and for you to come out and stay the state ruined your life is chicken :”’ I don’t know why you would be involved with CP’s or courts as a teen unless you were always doing something to break rules and I have had CP’s involved and there is a cop in reno who went far and behond the call of duty along with school teachers who helped my family to over come so just because you think of cops as being bully’s you should know that there is bad everywhere as well as good and it doesn’t matter what you do your family should not have to deal with people who make poor choices and then act like cowards because they can’t stand up and face what happens to them after their choices in ending this what I teach my children good bad or indifferent everything choice you make has a concqunce…. And only you can make it

    • Don Duncan

      I had to read your post 3 times to understand. I am still confused. If you want to communicate in composition it helps to use correct spelling, correct grammar, and proof read to make sure you have said what you wanted. For example: “…only you can make it” Make what? A “concqunce”? Try using periods.

      • Wrath Child

        Apparently calling somebody on grammar makes you an idiot. Just check out below when I commented on a guy’s bad grammar and got slammed for it. Aparently this issue is TOO important for proper grammar, spelling and punctuation

  • Wrath Child

    You can speak out against the police all you want, and in a lot of cases maybe you’re even right. But when you get to the point where you start applauding and celebrating random murder…now you’re no better than the cops you accuse of doing the same thing. If you saw all cops go around murdering people…you’re saying MURDER is wrong, you can’t then turn around and say that murdering two cops is good. Your argument is lost, because now either you say murder is bad…and if so…murdering cops also has to be viewed the same way cause it;s the same action…killing a person for no reason. Now I won’t say that I believe cops are just walking around arbitrarily killing people, but if that’s your argument fine. Or on the flip side do you say it’s okay to murder a cop…because that cop is bad. Then you can’t call the cops wrong for allegedly “murdering” suspects, because those suspects may have been bad. Sure YOU say they were innocent…but there’s no overall standard of what makes a person good or bad…your biased judgement said a cop was bad…however a cop’s biased judgement could say a guy running around with a gun in his hand is bad…and by the logic of Christ Cantwell…all bad people are okay to be murdered

    • Jeremy Reynolds

      its not murder to kill those who enforce the theft of your property

    • Thank you so much for this.

  • Lysander Spooner

    A good cop is still a bad person. A good cop is still a person who arrests ( aka kidnap) peaceful people for victimless “crimes” because politicians (aka crooks) told him to. A good cop is still a person who enforces taxation (aka extortion).

  • johnnyfred

    u r the kinda person who scares me tryin to spark an revolution that cant be won we would be bombed with drones till we submitted if there is to be a revolution its got do b a bloodless one voting both major parties 100% outta office and putting the common man in control we have to do this within the crooked ass system you have to out screw the ones screwing us…i know thats sounds perverted but you know what i mean but shooting cops and doing crazy things like this is just gonna get them to strip what rights we have left out from under us viloence is not the answer but yes be prepared there is always a chance they could turn on us and come after us i only condone viloence if it is brought upon us till then we have to screw them with there own system an uphill battle i know but if the people would stand together and take control viloence would not be needed

  • The Anti-Anarchist

    You Mr. Cantwell are a complete disgrace. I hope a pack of wild dogs attack and dismember you. I hope that what’s left of your corpse gets eaten by vultures and crows because you do not deserve a proper burial. You’re a complete embarrassment to the American ideals and the American way of life. Your disgusting filth that spews from your even more disgusting mouth is filled with such sickening hatred for everything except yourself is a travesty. Your stereotyping of every cop in the entire world as being some evil and menacing agent of tyranny is typical of the declining intelligence level I see in America today. I have a cousin who is a cop and a damn good one. Would you to talk ill of him should he be murdered in the line of duty? Well let’s say it wouldn’t be a good day for you. I am fairly certain your ridiculous sense of anarchism probably only represents a single digit percentage of all Americans and I’m completely certain you and everyone like you will leave this Earth without leaving any distinct impact whatsoever on it. Thank you.

    • Jeremy Reynolds

      i hope you and your cousin choke on a donut

  • InalienableWrights

    Glad to see someone else recognize and point out that it it the cops that initiate aggression.

  • disqus_Y6ANfBF4Gg

    You’re a terrible fucking person Chirstopher Cantwell. That is all.

    • I agree. What’s as horrible is he has supporters of this that aren’t embarrassed. They’re proud. I’ve seen them on Twitter.

  • Zachriel

    so. your idea of revolution is killing all of the police….
    If you waste all of your pieces fumbling for the other players pawns, you’re going to have built a terribly short sighted position that’s going to be quickly mated. we need to be strategic and figure out how to dissolve the people who are designing and issuing the orders that the police blindly follow of THEIR positions. we need to change the entire structure of the system. that’s a revolution. not blasting at cops in the street. this is exactly what the people running everything want; It completely alienates us from the rest of the population and from ourselves as well. it divides all of us who actually know whats going on into the extremists and the people who are less willing to act out. don’t do thing’s on their terms folks. If “they” didnt want us to be reading this artical right now. it would be taken down. be intelligent. bad cops are a symptom, but not the real problem at hand. dont be a crazy shooting cops

    • Leonard Embody

      Most people are idiots and most people do not have to be part of a winning revolution. Yes, cops are agents of the government and are legitimate targets.

  • Leonard Embody

    Fuck the cops. I’ve not met a good one and if there truly were good ones they would clean up the bad ones.

  • John D. Giles

    “”For the sake of us all, I’m so glad that I did not take that route.””

    Pretty much sums up your motivation. That is the problem with writing a 12+ paragraph manifesto online… Bits and pieces of the truth surface here and there.

    You have people screaming for the truth around you and you demand they seek it out… So long as that truth comes from you.

    As an oath keeping Law Enforcement officer, I put my life on the line every time I go out to ensure that I do not violate the civil rights of people I encounter during my regular duties. I do this because I love America and desperately want us to return to a time where our country was strong and we were truly free and independent.

    You sir, do not care about liberty. You are another anarchist who cares only about the “reckoning” with those who have offended you and whom you perceive to have held you back.

    Be careful Mr Cantrell what you wish for… You wish for violence and the dissolution of the state I suspect will not meet you with prosperity. You probably think that, somehow, you are going to rise up as some revolutionary leader and that you will not need to worry about the dangers that will surface when there are no cops patrolling the streets you so publicly like to exhale your garbage in. Cops like me who would gladly die to defend your rights and orphan our families will now be with our families at home protecting them. I hope you have been putting time in at the range and on the treadmill because if not…. bad deal.

    • Las Vegas resident

      Your hard-earned GED has served you well.

  • It took me approximately two sentences to realize the author of this blog is a fucking moron. Now I’m leaving.

    • Jeremy Reynolds

      bye

    • DaveS69

      It took two?

  • John D. Giles

    Some of you guys on here are saying things like:

    “there can be no “good cops”

    “cops are all thuggish monsters”

    “We live under constant threat of force by these monsters”

    What specifically has ANY cop ever done to any of you? I would be willing to bet that some of you are simply projecting your inner fears and mistrust for “authority” figures. the uniform and all the crap on the officer’s duty rig scares you… well, its supposed to be intimidating as that is the first line of force.Turn off youtube and go out in public to meet some of these men and women personally… You might change your mind. I hope you do but if you don’t, I really don’t care… Not because I am an evil sadistic controlling sociopath but because that is your right.

    If you want to change the face of law enforcement, JOIN THE FORCE !!! Stop alienating cops because one day you will need us to function for you whether you think you will or not.

    I have conversations every day with folks like you in person and have had great success in changes the hearts and minds of said folks through my actions and demeanor. Most of the people I have encountered who talk about cops this way have only ever had traffic tickets and have not once been abused physically or mentally by any law enforcement officer. .

    • What specifically has ANY cop ever done to any of you?

      Well, let’s see. In a little over a year police killed more than 1200 members of my community.

    • Jeremy Reynolds

      theyve robbed my dad for $15k while not even charging him with a crime. they robbed me of 2.5yrs of my life for having flowers in my trunk. they shut down cruising in my hometown taking away our only recreation for teens on the weekend.

    • Jeremy Reynolds

      and why in the fuck should i have to join their gang to get them to stop. if you dont like what the crips are doing to you join the bloods?

    • Jeremy Reynolds

      they also live off of pirated loot. pigs are welfare whores that want more laws against the people so they can buy more toys

      • DaveS69

        Jeremy … shut the fuck up. Let someone else have a turn on the family computer now, you worthless douchebag.

        • Jeremy Reynolds

          no your mom said i can use the pc whenever i want and that if you dont mow the lawn youll be grounded this weekend. dont get grounded this weekend cuz i plan on jack hammering that bitch Saturday night

          • DaveS69

            But Jeremy … you’re gay, so you wouldn’t want anything to do with my Mom regarding sex. I’m sure your Daddy trained you well.

          • Jeremy Reynolds

            i let you suck my dick one time and now i’m the gay one?

          • DaveS69

            Sorry … I don’t do miniatures. You must have me confused with one of those rest stop guys you pick up.

          • Jeremy Reynolds

            no remember you said this is daves 69 and i said ill have to owe you one

        • Jeremy Reynolds

          my profile pic is of my computer that i built and paid for myself. it doesnt look anything like a family computer and is probably worth more than your car

  • Grant Olson

    Wow, i forgot there are people like Christopher Cantwell in this world :/ Saying that anybody getting killed is good news, no matter who they were is just awful. Shame on you Christopher Cantwell…

  • william griffiths

    What’s wrong with you people?

  • NugentRocks

    Here’s a good argument for you: As we all know, there are a real lot of muslims out there that wish to hurt everyone who is not a muslim. There are also lots of muslims who do speak out for, but also not against those who want to hurt us. What should we do in this similar scenario? By your rationale, would all muslims be subject to your form of “cleansing” ? You are so over the top that you sound like those crazy jihadists who want to kill anyone who is not like them.
    Dude, put down the bong, put away the pills and clear your head.

  • Juraj Seffer

    “It is by definition, impossible to murder an aggressor”

    That’s not true. I could be stealing a gum or trespassing on someone’s property without wanting to do so, technically being an aggressor but shooting me as the first instance of defence would be murder.

    If a cop tries to arrest someone for possessing drugs or enters their home armed during a raid, yes, self-defence using a gun is justified, i.e. killing them. That’s not the case for every situation and every cop though.

    What you’re proposing is guilt by association – that every single person of a certain profession (police) associated with the State is guilty to the amount that justifies their killing. I reject that.

  • Grumpy Ol Fart

    All talk anarchist. Truth is, anarchy could never work which makes it a great idea for people like Cantdoanything to promote. Because there would actually have to be people to WORK and get things accomplished. That food isn’t catching itself. That fire isn’t starting itself. No rules would always end in bloodshed. If you really want to try anarchy, I suggest all you anarchists get together and try to form a little village and make it work. Show everyone else how well it works. But you won’t. You’re just a bunch of fucking blowhards.

  • Jonah Pokipala

    So you are saying you think people should kill cops, but that you yourself don’t have the courage to try? Sounds about right for your kind of human waste.

    • Yes, it’s typical of his type. Typical blowhard. This is one reason I challenged him in my first comment to tell all this to the surviving family/friends of these cops.

  • Josh Johnson

    Isn’t this similar to the “Bush Doctrine”? ‘We know they’re planning to attack us so we have to attack first’ For the sake of argument, what if the cops were having lunch and discussing how they’ve had a change of heart, discovered the non-aggression principal, and were going to immediately going to resign and take steps to give restitution to their victims? Obviously this seems highly unlikely, but it is nevertheless possible, and if this was that one-in-a-million chance…wouldn’t it be a horrible injustice to have prevented that outcome?
    You said “They identified their aggressors, and took action to stop them from aggressing.” but did they? The cops were not directly initiating force against the shooters at this time, but is it justified to use deadly force against an assumed, future threat? I fully understand and advocate that individuals are completely morally justified in using deadly force to defend themselves against aggression…but without a direct, imminent threat we are just assuming that these killings were preventing future violence on behalf of the cops, and I don’t think that the shooters are justified in that assumption.

    I agree that there is no such thing as a good cop, which is a contradiction by definition. But not all injustice is deserving of deadly force. Killing a cop doesn’t help to repair the damage they’ve done to their victims. It may prevent them from committing injustice in the future, but as I said, this is still an assumption until it actually happens. This is just my opinion, you may disagree…any thoughts?

  • Vera Beaton

    what an inflammatory bullshit artist you are, do you have any redeeming qualities or are you content with just being the smarmy asshat bastard who celebrates murder on a daily basis?

  • I’m a surviving family member of two murder victims. I thought I’d seen it all in regards to evil things said about murder victims until I saw this. This is one of the worst things I’ve ever seen about victims and I’ve been in activism for other survivors since 1990. I notice you don’t say a word about telling the surviving family/friends of these cops TO THEIR FACES what you’re saying here about their murdered family/friends. Yes, I’m using the word MURDERED because your vicious, arrogant, heartless and disgusting twisting of the word IS the things I listed here. You can deny all you want but it doesn’t change that these cops were murdered. I imagine in your mind full of arrogance, hate and heartlessness you’ve never even thought of the possibility that even if they were bad cops their family/friends may not be bad people. I’m really fed up with this “all cops are bad” garbage. I know better from firsthand experience. So do many other surviving family/friends of murder victims I’ve talked to online. Before I hear the charge: Saying that there are good cops doesn’t automatically mean you deny there’s bad ones. NEVER! I don’t deny there are some bad ones. I do what I can with the time I have to expose them, etc. I can only imagine how you’d scream if any group YOU’RE PART OF got this charge, i.e. the group you’re in has no good people in it. You don’t know how much I’d love to see you go into any meeting that the wonderful group “Parents of Murdered Children” have and say all this to the attendees. Most of the attendees are surviving family/friends like me. I wonder how you’d react to telling them all this to their faces. I have a feeling you’d panic and run. You’re a blowhard who loves to talk and whose ego is so big it’s a wonder it fits into any big space. I do want to get a BIG “thank you” for the decent people in these comments that are going against the evil you push. I’m very thankful. It’s a relief to see there’s people on here who are the opposite of you. Thank you again to all on here who are speaking against this disgusting evil.

    • Correction: “Give” a big thank you. To be honest when I first saw this filth mentioned on Twitter by another heartless blowhard I’ve been angry ever since. It’s no wonder I’ve made a few typos writing about it.

  • I’m hoping other commenters have noticed the stuff he says points to the characteristics that sociopaths have.

  • jbourneidentity

    I would hate to live in the best country in the world, where the very worst day is better than the very best day anywhere else, and be as miserable, unhappy, bitter, and full of hate as practically everyone posting here. I’m having a hard time accepting all the “woe is me” stories from people sitting in front of laptops with high speed internet in air conditioned homes. Don’t be a bunch of lemons. Be rosebuds. Oh, and Jesus loves you all.

  • Does he ever answer anyone in these comments? Wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t. His type loves to talk but not confront those who expose his evil. It’s easier to “hide in silence” as I call it.

  • Some Guy

    Luckily the nearest cop to my place is 40 minutes away.

  • ANarchistAnnie

    Stop whining and go out and ambush and kill as many cops as you can 🙂 its fun trust me

  • Mr. Michael

    Were they non-white police officers? I’d be okay with that.