Mother Avenges DCF Kidnapping

On July 10th 2015, Jody Herring’s 9-year-old daughter was taken from her by Vermont’s Department of Children and Families. It starts off a common enough story, with few details made public. Whether your particular authoritarian regime calls it DCF, or Child Protective Services, or some other Orwellian misdirection, governments throughout the world run these child trafficking schemes in the name of protecting children. So for one woman to lose one child on some day, is far from unusual.

Vermont, the leftist utopia that burdened America with the likes of Bernie Sanders, may unsurprisingly have it worse than some places though. Ever since the deaths of two children under DCF supervision, there have been changes in DCF policy. “Our goal is not reunification” said DCF Commissioner Dave Yacovone of reuniting children with their parents. The department instead insists it will do whatever is, in their infinite wisdom, in the best interests of the child. Perhaps that has something to do with the recent increase of children in Vermont DCF custody.

Mother Avenges DCF Kidnapping

Mother Avenges DCF Kidnapping

That may or may not have been what made Jody Herring so upset by the kidnapping of her daughter by the department, that she decided an assassination was order.

Lara Sobel was one of the DCF agents involved in the kidnapping. At approximately 4:45pm on Friday, Lara Sobel was exiting the DCF office at the Barre City Place, 219 North Main St. As she left the building, she was greeted by two bullet wounds from what Barre City Police Chief Tim Bombardier described as a “fairly high caliber hunting rifle” at “close proximity”. Jody Herring was tackled by witnesses at the scene, and identified as the shooter.

Herring now faces a 1st degree murder charge. Sobel will kidnap no more, because her wounds proved fatal.

Three of Herring’s relatives were also later found dead with gunshot wounds. The victims were identified as Herring’s cousins, Rhonda and Regina Herring, and aunt, Julie Ann Folzorano. Rhonda’s daughter, Tiffany Herring says Jody had warned these victims repeatedly “You guys need to stop calling DCF unless you guys are going to have it coming to you.”

Unfortunately, her warnings were not heeded, and here we find ourselves.

Little is known at this point about Jody Herring or her relationship with her daughter. It may well be, that like many other Vermonters, her family ended up in the death grip of DCF because of drug abuse or any number of other circumstances. Maybe she really was a terrible mother, or maybe she was like so many others who had her daughter torn from her arms by violent sociopaths for no good reason at all.

Lara Sobel - Slain DCF Worker Asks "Why do I work for the state?"

Lara Sobel – Slain DCF Worker Asks “Why do I work for the state?”

What is known is that Lara Sobel was a career kidnapper, who made her living receiving stolen funds, to rip children away from their parents for good and bad reasons alike. She did this for more than 14 years. During the course of those 14 years, she obviously encountered countless situations where she was compelled by the nature of her job to do things that were ethically abhorrent.

In a 2010 Facebook post, Sobel publicly asks “and tell me why do I work for the state?”

Her friend, Stacey Murdock had similar feelings that day.

David Grodsky suggests “Prisoners need wardens?” to which Lara responds “I would like to be the warden of a few people that I can think of today.”

Patti Lautner points out the obvious “Good benefits? That’s why I do it….”

It would appear that the benefits of Lara being prison warden over innocent children kidnapped by the State, were finally outweighed by the risks as her victim’s bullets tore through her vital organs. Vermont Governor Peter Shumlin ordered that Department for Children and Families workers will only make emergency calls accompanied by law enforcement over the weekend. A move eerily similar to when police stopped prosecuting petty offenses in the wake of two NYPD cops being gunned down late last year.

If one were to seek a silver lining to this morbid cloud of State provoked mayhem, it may bring comfort to hear that DCF will only break up families in the case of emergencies for a few days. On the downside, this amounts to an admission that they break up families by force for petty causes on a pretty regular basis.

Family court, CPS, DCF, and government’s perpetual interventions in family life over all have become such a tremendous problem over the years, it can be difficult to think of any way to resolve it other than to kill. The criminal justice system gets so much more attention thanks to the propagandist media always telling us how much we should be scared of each other, and thank government for keeping us safe. That institution is an atrocity in and of itself, with countless people being robbed, extorted, kidnapped, imprisoned, and murdered, either for victimless offenses, or even for not having broken any law at all. It happens every single day, and that’s while remnants of certain legal protections remain, like the right to an attorney, the 5th amendment right against self incrimination, search and seizure limitations, cruel and unusual punishment, and other protections offered by the constitution. As diminished as those have become over the years, remnants remain.

People dealing with family matters, they don’t have any such protections. There is no “proof beyond a reasonable doubt” to take one’s child away. There is no trial by jury. There is no 4th, 5th, 8th, or 14th amendment. If you steal a candy bar, or commit rape, you’ll get all of those protections, but if the government wants to take your children away, well, that’s just some administrative process. Somebody like Lara Sobel comes along and says “Hi, I’m with DCF, and I’m here to protect your child, from you. If you resist me, I’ll call the police. If you resist the police, they will kill you, and your child, and every other living thing in this home.”

So when I hear that a distraught mother like Jody Herring, sees fit to pick up a rifle and put two bullets in someone like Lara Sobel, my first thoughts are not “Oh that terrible murderer” or “Oh, that poor DCF worker” but rather I think “I admire that mother’s restraint.” It really couldn’t have been easy to stop shooting after only two rounds. It really couldn’t have been easy to target only the DCF worker that intervened in your family. The temptation to burn the building down, to kill them all, to plant bombs in every government office from Vermont to California, must have been quite intense.

If you think about it, Jody Herring used a lot less violence, and prevented a great deal more violence, than Barack Obama did, and he won the Nobel Peace Prize. Whatever led up to her encounter with Lara Sobel, surely Jody’s actions Friday at least qualify her for mother of the year at this point. She ended a life of crime, put the DCF on slow mode, and let every State sponsored child trafficker know that their threats and violence can have consequences that outweigh the benefits.

Maybe if that happened more frequently, we’d finally see the culture of resistance, that would ultimately result in a free society.

 

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  • 347 Area Code

    Cantwell are you going to read this; if not how much would it cost for you to?

    • Richard Chiu

      I read it. I’d say that in a fair economy, you’d owe me a couple of ounces of copper for doing so.

    • Jon

      THose were children left with the unfit parent. Jody Herring murdered her aunt, and two cousins, in the hours up to executing Lara Sobel. She was not an honorable person; she wa a person with a history of losing children to DCF for other issues. The child was with family, her parental rights were terminated.
      The family she killed, were the people who reported her, and her behaviors, to the state.
      You are all sick to even think this was justifiable in the slightest. Just because you can reproduce in no way makes you a fit parent. This person proves that fact.

      • Angela Caldwell Alfe

        Can you post the information that backs up your claims? I’m really interested in hearing more about what lead up to this…

        • Becky Grenier

          What evidence do you think there is going to be on the internet that Jody Herring was a terrible parent who had lost custody of most of her 6 other kids already? It is just what everyone locally knows about the family.

          • Angela Caldwell Alfe

            That’s why I asked…I’m not local and reading a NATIONAL news story with no background is sloppy reporting and regular old biased reporting. Which is why I asked for more info. I had no idea she had 6 other kids.

        • Kim

          Jody’s niece wrote on social media that her mother and aunt reported her to the state on several different occasions. And that Jody threatened them in the weeks prior AND on the day of that they were going to get what was coming to them. If your own FAMILY thinks you are unfit to raise your child, that says a lot. Also considering the fact that she had DCF problems with her older children as well. I think benefit of the doubt is out the window now.

          • Angela Caldwell Alfe

            I would still like to know what the claims, etc. were. Was Jody an addict? I had a friend whose MIL kept calling DCFS on her because she didn’t agree with how she was raising the child (ie. Not given by her everything she wanted). So many people use DCFS to “hurt” others and make lame calls. So just because the calls were made doesn’t mean that they were true or founded. That’s why I’d like more info on what was going on.

          • Nick

            She murdered four people, including 3 family. She waited outside the DCF office for her case worker to leave, and shot her in the back with a hunting rifle. She wasn’t protecting her child, it was revenge over a month later. The judge made the right call when DCF recommended terminating her parental rights. You won’t hear the circumstances surrounding custody because of confidentiality policy. This article is diarrhea.

          • Dennis Wilson

            “… her [cousins] and aunt reported her to the state on several different occasions”

            /sarcasm on/ Well now. That in a nice, friendly way to help out your family. /off/

          • Nick

            They did help their family, they got their young relative out of her dangerous mother’s care.

          • Pat

            How else do you think a family member can remove a child from a parent that is a danger to them but through the Courts?

          • Dennis Wilson

            Re: “How else do you think a family member can remove a child from a parent that is a danger to them but through the Courts?”

            As was pointed out elsewhere, concerned individuals, adoption agencies (private & religious) and charities filled that role before the Imperial Government forced them out and took over. Offering money to the parent (buying the child) could be VERY effective, but government made that illegal.

            WE DO NOT HAVE ALTERNATIVES BECAUSE GOVERNMENT TOOK THEM AWAY! Repeal those “laws” and abolish government meddling in family. The Constitution does not authorize this kind of government meddling!

            Government–and its agents– is not the answer, it is the problem!

          • Pat

            So, you would prefer that concerned individuals or charities would decide, on their own, when a child is in need of protection. No independent judge assessing the evidence, protecting the rights of the parents to due process, just some third party stepping and taking children? The constitution has nothing to do with this. The federal government has no role. State government does and their laws allow it. 800,000 children are abused on this country every year. Over 400 die of abuse. Myths majority of the time the abuser or killer is the parent. You seem to think a parent has the right to do whatever they want to a child; best them, neglect them, sexually abuse them. Why do you oppose the government stepping in to prevent this? What are doing to your kids?

          • Dennis Wilson

            You asked what I considered to be a serious question and I answered citing how the problem was addressed BEFORE government started meddling. If “800,000 children are abused on this country every year” then I would say that your government War on Parents “solution” is a gigantic failure, just like its Wars on Alcohol, Drugs, Poverty and brown people in hot countries.

            Are children “somehow” safer when in the care of a government that is shooting, chocking and beating its own unarmed citizens to death at an alarming rate; using tax money to abort babies; and bombing men, women and children in countries that have NOT attacked us and without a Constitutional declaration of war?

            Government–and its agents– is not the answer, it is the problem!

          • Pat

            What idiotic nonsense. Since we still have crime, does that mean we should stop having law enforcement attempt to prevent crime or not punish those who commit crime? There are people who are parents and who rape, neglect or abuse their children. The only people who would oppose efforts to protect those children are the parents who do the harm. So, which are you? The neglectful parent, the abusive one or the one who rapes their children?

          • Dennis Wilson

            Regarding your original question: “How else do you think a family member can remove a child from a parent that is a danger to them but through the Courts?”

            You have made it very clear that your question was not serious and that you do not seek answers or solutions, but rather that you are trolling so you can make snarky, psuedo-intellectual comments such as that last one. Juvenile questions like “Have you stopped beating your spouse/children/parents/dog yet?” are really fashionable among Hi-IQ people this season.

          • Val Williams

            what ‘due process’? parents do not have ‘due process’. The rest of this post is large leaps in conclusion.

          • Pat

            They have a hearing, before a judge. They have the right to an attorney; one paid for by the taxpayers. This woman lost other kids because she went to prison repeatedly. Her own family; those who know her best, reported her and the danger she posed to her kids.

          • Val Williams

            I agree that families have no business in the courthouse. Divorce, child support, and child custody issues need to be resolved elsewhere. Move ‘family court’ out of the courthouse…… and call it something else!

          • Kim

            They weren’t trying to help her out – she already fucked up being a parent with her older two children (go read some interviews with them). Her family was interested in protecting the 9-year-old, who was being neglected. You’re gonna sit there and tell me that if you had a sister who wasn’t taking care of her children you’d look the other way because it’s your sister?? Who was supposed to protect the child??? She had lost her child a month prior to the shooting. It wasn’t about her kid. It was about the money she was told she would no longer receive due to not having a kid in her custody. Such a great, protective mama bear, willing to kill for her kid because it came with benefits.

          • Dennis Wilson

            “They weren’t trying to help her out -”

            We certainly agree on THAT part of your statement! They did not keep the situation within the family. They called in the coercive force of the police state.

    • James Baer

      You’re a retard.

      • Dee54

        Apparently you only have one retort – well done. (sarcasm just so you know!)

        • James Baer

          Thanks!! (Oh was that sarcasm?)

    • disqus_Y0GGPDEj0i

      So if the DCF allows your child to stay in your custody, and you murder your child, the DCF is responsible.

      And if the DCF deems you dangerous and transfers guardianship of your child to family, then they’re kidnappers and should be murdered.

      Got it. Everything DCF does is wrong, even if it’s right.
      So why are you posting a dead person’s email and phone? She’s not going to get anyone’s messages, she was murdered on Friday leaving work.

  • Lily Gonzalez

    Great article. Stefan Molyneux needs to read this. For an anarchist, he keeps advocating that children must be protected from their parents by the state. I think no protection is better than state protection where the fate of a child is too often far more gruesome in the hands of the state than if left to the parents.

    • Val Williams

      the assumption is that all child removals are due to ‘abuse’ and/or ‘neglect’. But another avenue CPS touts is, ‘dependency’ (through no fault of the parent). How does a parent fight that? A parent can’t. Like this article states, we have ZERO rights, no due process, etc…..

    • Richard Chiu

      I think that there should be options for children who run away from their birth parents, people who will serve as a sort of “Underground Railway” for distressed children, as well as those who reach out to educate children about the existence of such options if they choose them.

      But it certainly shouldn’t be run by the government. And it should never involve the use of force or coercion against the children themselves, nor aggression against their parents.

      Indeed, the dangers of ‘cults’ preying on children in this manner incline me to believe that, even if such organizations are desirable, it is NOT acceptable for them to enjoy any special immunity or trust. Anyone who chooses to undertake that occupation must bear the full natural risks associated with interfering with other people’s children.

      Conversely, nobody can be rightfully forced into accepting that role, no matter how socially desirable it might be for someone to do it.

  • Cal

    you really would want that child to stay with her? she killed four people, is that really the kind of person you want raising a child? that poor kid.

    you didn’t know lara, and i find it upsetting that you’re making any judgement. she was a good person. my first thought wasn’t about how herring had to restrain herself from killing people, it was to that kid whose mother is so full of anger she rips the lives away from four people. i don’t know if there’s ever a justification for killing, not too mention killing four people.

    now lara’s kids won’t have their mother. this is a very devastating case, and i’m sorry you don’t see that.

    • Richard Chiu

      Jody’s kids already didn’t have their mother.

      That’s why she was willing to kill the people who took them from her.

      Sorry about the mistype, it hadn’t occurred to me that you seriously thought Sobel’s children could possibly be worse off not being raised by a professional sociopath.

      • Cal

        she was not a sociopath. did you even know lara? i’m trying to stay open-minded, but it’s difficult to do that when good people have died.

        • Karen Glammeyer Medcoff

          did YOU KNOW lara?have you had ANY social services dealings with her?

          • Cal

            i did know lara. i have never had any social service dealings with her, but i knew her.

            people don’t always hide behind a mask, you know. some people are good straight to the core. she was one of those people. if you ever met her, you would understand.

        • Richard Chiu

          She accepted money to act like a sociopath on an ongoing basis. Maybe she was a perfectly decent person when nobody was paying her to commit monstrous crimes, but the sane thing is true of most of the worst criminals in human history.

          • Cal

            i’m sorry, but have you listened to yourself? she helped so many people. if you call reassuring recovering addicts that their kids won’t be taken away unless their lives are in danger, or saving children from abusive or neglectful hands, “monstrous crimes”, then i do not understand you. do you want a child living in constant fear or abused? i don’t want that and it doesn’t seem like you want that either, but i’m not sure where you stand.

            not everyone who has a child is fit to be a parent. if they abuse that child, you want everyone to stand around and do nothing? they don’t own the child, just because they created the kid, that doesn’t mean that they belong to them. children aren’t property, and i’m sorry if i’m assuming, but that’s the sense i’m getting from you. i could be wrong. it’s been a long day.

            but with all of what lara did to help people, the last thing you should do is compare her to the worst criminals in human history.

            i cannot fathom that someone would upvote your comment.

          • Richard Chiu

            Not everyone who has a child is fit to be a parent.

            But I’m not morally qualified to take children from their parents by force on nothing more than my judgment of how good their parents are.

            Are you?

            Is anyone?

            I have no problem with killing criminals who can’t be stopped by any other means. And if there are orphans as a result of that, then I’ve no problem with someone taking care of them.

            But, when Sobel decided to take away Herring’s kid, Herring hadn’t committed any crime worthy of death or even imprisonment. She hadn’t even been accused or suspected of any such crime.

            Sobel, on the other hand, committed crimes worthy of death for a living. And it finally caught up with her and some of her latest accomplices.

          • Cal

            i feel qualified to make a decision like that. if the child is obviously in danger or neglected, and the parent won’t listen or take help from anyone else, i feel that the kid should not have to grow up like that. if i can stop it, i would. it’s cheesy, i know, but children are our future. they will be citizens someday. if you can prevent the depression of one person, wouldn’t you want to do that? if you could save a child, or in general, anyone, from living in constant fear, wouldn’t you want to do that?

            no one should have to grow up like that, but it happens and it’s sad.

            how do you know anything about the case? people who had seen herring as a parent, i think they would feel the same way i do. that kid had to live with her. i’m not going to say what i know, because i still feel there are confidentiality rules, but the child was not safe there.

            lara did what was best for the kid. she was gave her safety instead of danger. if that makes her a criminal, i don’t get it.

            children aren’t property. why don’t you go ask the daughter how she felt?

          • Dennis Wilson

            As was pointed out elsewhere, concerned individuals, adoptions and charities filled that role before the Imperial Government forced them out and took over.

            Are children “somehow” safer when in the care of a government that is shooting, chocking and beating its own unarmed citizens to death at an alarming rate; using tax money to abort babies; and bombing men, women and children in countries that have NOT attacked us and without a Constitutional declaration of war?

            Government–and its agents– is not the answer, it is the problem!

          • Richard Chiu

            Well, it seems one way I might keep a lot of children (and their parents) from living in fear would be to eliminate the threat you pose.

          • Cal

            please explain how i am the threat. i really would like to know, richard.

          • Richard Chiu

            That is improbable. If you desired a sufficient capacity for self-examination to understand the fundamental problem with trusting your own judgment to dictate the conditions of other’s lives, then you would not need to ask for further explanation at this point.

            If you don’t actually need to ask, but are merely feigning ignorance, then this would most likely indicate that you really would rather not know, despite actually being cognizant.

            Given the low probability of you actually wishing to know how you threaten the lives of others, and the fact that such probability as does exist requires the assumption that you are intentionally dishonest in protesting ignorance, but do so out of an over determination to conceal what you already know, there would be no utility in further explanation.

            Suffice it to say, like Sobel, you are willing to engage in psychopathic mentation and activities, whether for pay or for personal satisfaction. Discussion is thus pointless, other than to confirm that lethal force is an acceptable means for preventing you from carrying out such crimes.

          • Cal

            i am genuinely curious and don’t appreciate you guessing how i feel in this manner, which is not only supercilious but guided by a holier-than-thou automatic hand.

            you can just ask instead of going on a holmes-inspired rant. do you truthfully feel i should change, or do you feel all people with my morals should be controlled by lethal force?

            do you believe that people are ever willing to change or see another side of life? do you truly believe that everyone is as close-minded as you appear?

            you want the people who deal with these cases, like dcf, to be exposed for the unfairness that happens. taking children away from happy and caring families isn’t my idea of justice, nor was it lara’s.

            perhaps you should use the self-examination you so clearly pointed at me to understand that there are circumstances where it is not safe to leave a child in such an environment. no kid wants to be abused and i find it hard to believe that if you knew a parent was beating their kid, you would just stand by. is it truly mental to not want a child covered in bruises or going hungry?

            by your logic, we should be able to live our lives how we please…why do you feel okay threatening my life? death is a severe punishment, you sure you feel okay making that decision?

            i’m simply asking you to re-evaluate your stance, maybe see the other side as i attempt to do the same.

          • Richard Chiu

            I’m just pointing out that, by the ‘preemptive force’ argument necessary to justify abducting children to avoid the harm you estimate their parents may inflict on them, it is entirely valid to resort to whatever measures are necessary to preempt your future attempts to abduct children from their parents.

            The problem is the initiation of force to accomplish your objectives, whether or not I regard those objectives as desirable. Certainly, if it comes to protecting children from serious abuse, I’m all in favor. But initiating violence against their parents isn’t the answer. It’s like invading another country over human rights abuses (even very serious ones, like what happens in North Korea). Millions of children in North Korea are worse off than any children in Vermont. So why don’t we invade and liberate them?

            Because there would be consequences, including the dramatic immediate worsening of the lives of almost all North Korean children, killing hundreds of thousands of them if the war were prosecuted with serious will to victory (and fighting a war without such will is an unmitigated evil, since it still inflicts damage but has no chance of accomplishing anything). That doesn’t mean that we won’t defend ourselves from anything Kim Jong-Un does to threaten our legitimate interests. It just means that the human rights aren’t a reason to invade (they are, however, pretty good reasons not to trust the Kim regime to have any honor or moral integrity).

            If Jody Herring had been out knocking over a liquor store or something, and gotten shot in the process, that would be sad but clearly justified. It would then obviously be up to someone else to step in and take care of her child. If her neighbors had gotten together and told Jody that she needed to stop being involved with drugs and bad relationships, and managed to convince her without coercive threats, and she checked into rehab and left her child with a designated guardian in the meantime, that would also be justified and probably a great outcome.

            But when a gang of known murderers decides to take her child at gunpoint, on their own “moral judgment”, well then killing those she personally knew to be directly involved in that only makes sense.

    • A J Sharp

      I always want children raised by someone who would kill to protect them from evil people. Yes, taking my child from me by force is a justification for killing however many people are responsible. Nothing could ever be more moral.

      • Cal

        alright, so you’d like to give herring the benefit of the doubt and say that this was wrong, i feel like you should also give dcf the benefit of the doubt. not everyone that works there is evil.

        lara was not evil. i don’t see this as moral, killing someone who was a huge part of the community and a genuine person, because their child was taken away. she was not evil…had you met her? did you know her? she should not have died.

        if herring really wanted her daughter out of state hands, do you think she would shoot someone in broad daylight, in front of many people? that’s selfishness, it’s cruel and it’s incredibly sad.

        • A J Sharp

          No, I don’t give DCF the benefit of the doubt, because there is no doubt on that front. Lara may not have been evil, but she helped evil people do an evil thing, and apparently she did it regularly, for a living. I don’t have to meet her to know that she did evil for a living, any more than I need to meet a Dachau guard to know he did evil. What she did is evil by definition.

          She probably thought the imprimatur of the state would protect her, but she should have known that parents will do anything to protect a child, and constantly taking children from their parents by force could lead to this outcome.

          • Cal

            how can you be so certain that what she did was evil? we don’t know anything about the case in which herring’s child was taken from her, but would you want to leave a child there if she was abused or neglected? these are often the cases they deal with.

            you should read the tribute that one of her clients wrote. the times argus published it. lara was a good person and people who worked with her knew that.

            you can’t be certain she did anything evil. she was protecting a child, not kidnapping.

        • paendragon

          Some people can’t recognize evil people who act “nice” as evil.

          • Cal

            i guess some don’t understand genuine people exist.

          • paendragon

            She “genuinely” followed orders to kidnap children, without the need for any evidence or warrants, and she gladly accepted money to do so for decades – so she was genuinely a criminal.

          • Cal

            how do you know any of that? how are you so positive that there was no proof of danger? this woman killed four people, three of her own family. what would have stopped her from killing her child?

          • paendragon

            You irrational types really hate cause and effect, don’t you?

          • Cal

            i don’t see myself as irrational, so i guess you’ll have to find your answer somewhere else.

          • Tiana Kenney

            Amen!! From someone who went through an awful ordeal thanks to L.S. & DCF… They went on HEAR SAY from an admitted junkie/ heroine dealer! NO! They don’t always needto nNazi a child away especially without any facts.
            Even the JUDGE commended us and agreed that we in fact we’re NOT abusive or neglectful… AFTER our child was indeed KIDNAPPED.
            swallow THAT whole!!

      • James Baer

        Still dumb.

    • Siberia Gippius

      Lara’s kids don’t need a mother, this is a Nanny Police State remember, Kids better off with the State as parent, remember? That’s how Libtards wanted it, so don’t bother with faux tears for Lara’s kids or any kids, that’s what Foster care, Title Funding to TRAFFICK/adopt and force drug kids is for, don’t worry. Kids be fine, I’m sure CPS has a nice family with a sadist PEDO all ready to adopt, with plenty of profit margin to boot. How’s that Village working for ya now AmuriKKKa? It all works out in the end…kids be drugged and bending over with no problem, psyches make $$ from all the “therapy” , Foster families get paid and some extra slaves to boot, Christian adoption agencies and secular get $$$$ out the ass to adopt kids out, court whores, er I mean GALS and Lawyers get $$$ for all types of racketeering while terminating rights of parents with stroke of pen for Any bogus reason, shit they don’t need reason, lies work sufficiently. And everyone happy (except kid of course), and destroyed parents) courts make $$$, juvenile crooks make $$$ and corp prisons line up for future $$$ when those messed up kids revolt Esp when they are dumped on streets at. 18 with their credit n SSI ruined due to years of theft by CPS and state crooks but hey oh well, carry on folks. Kids get told at young ages that mummy abandoned them (truth was she was poor) or that mummy druggie or mentally I’ll (truth was mummy cried when grief struck–all it takes now to get labeled) etc etc or mummy insisted on second opinion by dr and whoops here comes the CPS brigade, or mummy let kids play in front tard OMG how terrible child neglect!!! Anything these days is grounds for removal of children, ANyTHING. Smoke pot, lose kids to Foster who beats them to death. Hey no biggie, $$$$ was paid. So Lara’s kids, nah don’t worry…the CPS psyche docs quacks n Dr Mengeles have all kinds of drug cocktails and genital stimulation aka guises as “tests” (fact, this shit happens folks research it) and cuzz they hot Guberment as title well hey, it’s all fine n dandy. Let’s just carry on folks…one woman (we don’t know whole story) reacts n fights back, but CPS has MURDERED thousands upon thousands of children by Torture, Rape (epidemic in this nation), Burning, Beating, Starvation, and well, ya still want to Give them More $$$ cuzz hey, they got Lara’s children’s best interests at heart. You dumb fucking idiots…one woman. CPS has murdered Thousands, do the goddamn research. You worried bout Lara’s children, you should worry about Americas children Period because you got a NAZI murdering racketeering machine that puts Goebbels to shame.

  • Richard Chiu

    I notice that the media evidently has no interest in discussing the reasons behind DCF’s abduction of Jody Herring’s daughter. Given the overall narrative, that suggests that those reasons wouldn’t withstand public scrutiny.

    Suggests, not proves. But the lack of any prior history of violent crime tends to corroborate the idea that the sole motive for the killings was Jody Herring’s desire to protect her daughter from kidnappers.

    The real question is whether there is anyone still out there who cares about her as much as she cares about her daughter. I frankly hope there is.

    • James Baer

      You’re a retard

      • paendragon

        He often is, but in this case I agree with his above statements.

        • James Baer

          You also believe that the confederate flag stands for patriotism.

          • paendragon

            I know it represents State resistance to false, overbearing Federal “authority.”

          • Kim

            It represents states rights. What did those states want rights to? Keeping slaves. That’s that only things it stands for. Giving it more praise than that is just foolish.

          • paendragon

            Both Lincoln and the slaveholders well knew in 1860 that a constitutional amendment ending slavery would never be mathematically feasible. But Lincoln further understood that the South was gravitating toward secession as the remedy for a different grievance altogether: The egregiously inequitable effects of a U. S. protective tariff that provided 90 percent of federal revenue.

            Foreign governments retaliated for it with tariffs of their own, and payment of those overseas levies represented the cost to Americans of their U. S. government. Southerners were generating two-thirds of U. S. exports, and also bearing two-thirds of the retaliatory tariffs abroad.

            The result was that that the 18.5 percent of America’s citizens who lived in the South were saddled with three times their proportionate share of the federal government’s costs.

            On May 1, 1833, President Andrew Jackson wrote of nullification, “the tariff was only a pretext, and disunion and southern confederacy the real object. The next pretext will be the negro, or slavery question.”

            So he thought any and all stated reasons for leaving the Union were “mere pretexts.”

    • Dee54

      Due to confidentiality rules you will NEVER hear why a child comes in to custody.

      • Richard Chiu

        That’s never true when they have an actual reason for taking a child into custody in a high-profile case.

        NEVER.

      • Lily Gonzalez

        “Confidentialty” is a bullshit excuse to keep the public from knowing why the kid is being removed. If the “crimes” are so heinous as to warrant removal of children, then those crimes are supposed to be public knowledge. This curtain of “confidentiality” is as hollow as the cops’ “officer safety” excuse that they use to justify murdering innocent people – and they murder three a day in the U.S. Land of the “safe.” Look up Killed by police dot net.

    • Nick

      I don’t know who you’re talking about, Jody Herring has a long criminal record, including violent crime, and she had her parental rights terminated.

      She murdered 4 people, including 3 family. Are you just making stuff up? Or did you confuse this case with someone else?

      • Richard Chiu

        Whether or not the homicides were murders is precisely the question under consideration. Claiming that they were murders, and that this is evidence that there was no justification for resort to lethal force, is virtually a textbook example of begging the question.

        • Nick

          I’m not begging the question, she definitely has a long criminal record. She absolutely had a judge revoke her parental rights. Without a doubt, the state agency responsible for the welfare of children saw her unfit, made recommendations she ignored, and took actions to protect those under her care.

          Also she’s a murderer. I know you don’t want to hear the facts, but she planned revenge killings a month after she lost custody of another of her children. She was witnessed by many shooting a DCF worker as they left work, including the county state’s attorney. You can wait for the plea deal to decide how culpable she is on killing 3 of her family, but I think the state did the right thing in trying to find a safer home for her daughter.

          • Richard Chiu

            Hah, way to upvote yourself.

            What is her “long criminal record” other than killing people who conspired to abduct her daughter by threat of force?

            In ordinary jurisprudence, killing such people cannot be considered murder. Only in the extraordinary and criminal jurisprudence of a state based on pervasive organized crime could such an act be considered murder.

            So what are the other crimes (actual crimes against the persons or properties of others, rather than violations of criminal edicts of the state) of which she is guilty?

          • Nick

            You’ve convinced me, she’s a saint. I’m sure she was trying to bless those people with bullets.

            Go look up her record yourself. Or just keep defending someone you don’t actually know anything about.

          • Richard Chiu

            Any “actual crimes against the persons or properties of others, rather than violations of criminal edicts of the state” in that “long criminal record”?

          • Nick

            Dude, look it up. Actually do some research. How can you be so defensive about a case you know nothing about?

            And yes, she has actual violent crimes, she has lost custody of actual children, and she did actually murder people. But I know you don’t care about that. If the government got involved, it must be for an evil purpose, right? No need to investigate.

          • Pamela June Petersen-Bombardie

            All of you holier than thou idiots that sit in front of your computers passing judgement on people, without all the facts, are nothing more than bullies and cowards! Walk a mile in Jodys shoes, then maybe but I doubt it.
            Who the #&@! are you anyways? What makes you an expert on this case? You claim Jody is a criminal but offer nothing specific to corroborate your claim other than what CPS did to her ie TPR etc. which is meaningless! Are you so niave that you really believe that because some lazy, apathetic, “judge” who has no real knowledge of any individual case and just signs off on the lies presented by social workers and county counsel, declared a parents rights to their child terminated that it was warranted? That alone is proof enough that you dont have a clue as to how CPS operates. It’s your right to choose to believe the propoganda they dish out, though it doesn’t speak to your intelligence. Rather it speaks to the opposite. Why dont you leave the judgement up to God and instead practice compassion.
            As long as the majority is willing to let CPS commit crimes against their fellow man, safe in the false belief that it was done in the best interest of the child, it will continue. Obviously, you have no idea of how it feels to have the most precious thing in your life ripped away from you or how it feels to know your child is being harmed while you are rendered powerless to protect them. There is no greater offense and tradgedy in life than to be forced to endure the indignities and atrocities committed by CPS.
            The sheer numbers of parents claiming their children have been removed unnecessarily should be enough to make an intelligent person care to find out the truth. Do you really think parents who knowingly and maliciously harm their children are the parents putting their stories out online for all the world to see? Doesnt it make more sense that where there is smoke there is usually fire? And if even one child is wrongly removed from their family, isnt it a tradgedy? And wouldnt it be better to error on the side of belief if it could prevent such a tradgedy?
            Heres some free advice…
            It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

          • Nick

            Pamela, if someone is harming their child, should we all look the other way and let it continue? When should someone intervene?

          • Pamela June Petersen-Bombardie

            Dont be ridiculous! Is sarcasm really all youve got? No child should ever suffer harm by their parent or any adult, or peer, for that matter. That is the obvious and something I’m sure we all could agree on.
            That mute point, however, is not the point we are discussing here. As I understand the discussions taking place here, the differences lie not in whether children are abused or not but in the legitimacy of CPS and the corruption that runs rampant within the agency.
            No one knows what exactly drove Jody to do what she did, nor does anyone here know whether her actions were justified or not, or if she is just a crazy murderous feind or any number of other explanations for her actions.
            I just feel strongly about people who dont have all the facts, shooting off judgement on anyone, especially, someone who clearly has had a troubled life beyond what most people can probably even imagine.
            Wouldnt it be a better approach to be appalled that such a tragedy occured, pray for the families who lost loved ones and strive to be part of the solution, by discussing ideas and sharing our experiences with open minds, it might be possible to figure out how something positive might come from this negative. It is incumbent on every one of us to seek the truth and work together as a society, to make change where change is needed and maybe, prevent such a tragedy from repeating itself, rather than serving no greater good with a lot of opinions and judgements that amount to nothing more than the spread of more negativity? Not one single person on here standing in judgement of this poor troubled woman is qualified to do so. Its much easier to stand on the sidelines in judgement than to jump in the race and do $omething good.
            It takes much more strength and character to forgive than it does to condemn.
            Furthermore, there is almost nothing that I find more offensive than people who have no clue about how CPS truely opperates or how the dependency courts operate and have never read the laws that govern the “protection” of children in this country, yet stand in judgement of parents who have been victimized and are living with a pain so deep and unrelenting, death would be more merciful. Human beings can only be pushed so far until they break and there is no way of knowing what anyones breaking point is until they break. Its a wonder more parents dont resort to drastic actions, given the indignities visited upon them by CPS.
            There is not a person aliv3 who is sin free. The only judge who is qualified to judge another is he who is without sin. From some of the nasty comments people make,its clear just what kind of sinners they are.
            No one stands behind child abuse or neglect or murder. Such terrible things should never happen but they do.
            The worst action of an abusive parent follwed by justified CPS intervention, will never qualify the unjust removal of a child and the destruction of a family unnecessarily. We dont have to accept such a low bar when it comes to something as precious as children and family.

          • Nick

            No sarcasm at all, that was a sincere question. Based on your comment I thought you might have a vendetta against CPS and would vilify everything they do. Glad that isn’t the case.

            I came for a similar reason, I was looking up information on the the case, and was appalled to find this outrageous article. Then further shocked to see these inflammatory comments supporting the alleged mass murderer, and condemning a victim who tried to do good.

            Then you come and support them. Speak of forgiveness on a case where an attacker refused to forgive. Speak out against unjust removal of a child, in a case where children were left without a mother, shot in the back as she left work, and again as she lay dying on the ground. Jody had conditions to keep her children, and the opportunity to see them and get them back. Lara has no more options in life.

            But i can’t have an opinion on this? Because i can’t know what the attacker was going through? Sorry, but i will not condone her actions. She was clearly wrong, and I find all of these comments extremely disturbing.

          • takeanumber

            I give you credit Nick for being so diplomatic with these people. I am quite certain NONE of them are thinking of the child first. All they see is anti-government views no matter what the circumstances are. Not ONE person, aside from you, has even speculated as to what JODY’s poor children have gone through. Everyone is just so quick to jump on the anti-CPS bandwagon. The one lady accues YOU of not having the facts to base you opinion> Hah. What a joke. I think your so-called “sarcastic” comment was on point. Funny how she got very defensive at such a logical question. Thank you for bringing some mindful insight to this “conversation”.

          • “I was looking up information on the the case…” Great, copy and paste your links/findings …IF you actually have some.

          • Tracy Mills-Sherman

            My brother who lives in Vermont was not harming his daughter. He refused to put her in a a school for behavior problem kids and told the school they were not meeting her IEP needs. he then told them he was removing her from the IEP. The school got DCF involved and they took her away and claimed her emotional needs were not being met. But my brother attended all the school meetings told them what accommodations she would need but the school refused. She has been in their custody for over 5 months and my brother has lost visitation on her and his court hearing keeps being pushed back further and further. So not all children who are removed from a parents home is being abused. She has been in 5 different homes and is suffering from emotional abuse inflected by DCF. I am told DCF answers to no one and judges are scared of them. Makes you wonder what is really going on. Pockets are being filled is what is going on. Trafficking children and disguising as abuse

          • Joshua Perry

            How do you know she was harming her children
            You don’t

          • revitupnc

            Well stated-Believe me I know,including 5 months in jail on obstruction of justice charges (all 6 dismissed and all 6 bogus).No record here, real reason for police state actions- I exposed them and they came hard,including a three hour no warrant,no paperwork traffic stop

          • takeanumber

            Do you know what that is like? Was your child taken from you for no reason at all ? Do you know what it is like to be the CHILD who is abused and scared every day of thier life until someone brings them to safety? NO you don’t. You have no idea what it is like. You want to advocate for a nut job with a gun that is your costitutional right. However, do not think for a minute that you are advocating for the children’s rights to live a life of no abuse. All you think about is the parent who is a murderer. Geez, do you think she could also be abusive? Hmm. What do YOU do for a living lady? So busy bashing the government and ignoring the fact that children have rights too. Who will protect the children? Sure as hell won’t be people like you thats for sure.

          • Richard Chiu

            You really do upvote all your own comments, don’t you?

            Again, the fact that people conspired to abduct her child is NOT a crime on Jody Herring’s part. And killing people who kidnap your children is also not a crime (let alone murder) under any sane jurisprudence.

            If you’re referring to the fact that Jody Herring had suffered violent domestic abuse in the past, that is ALSO not a crime by any sane standard.

            You keep on assuming the conclusion (that Jody Herring was a violent criminal) and using that as your sole evidence of the conclusion that the killings were murder. Logically, that’s even worse than the way you continue to upvote all your own comments.

          • Nick

            Neither, I was referring to her actual criminal record. You should check it out, she has a record of violent crime. The evidence is plentiful, you just don’t care.

            Since you’re so adamant on defending this serial killer, how about this: When she was abused as a child, should the state have intervened?

          • Richard Chiu

            No.

            Now, if the violent crimes being committed against her at that time were sufficient to justify homicide against the persons committing the abuse, then the state should also have refrained from interfering in that case, as well as declining to interfere with whatever arrangements were made to care for her afterwards.

            As the state should decline to prosecute her in adulthood for her actions in defense of her child.

          • Nick

            I think i understand your stance better. You’d prefer a more anarchistic society, where the strong have control. Similar to some middle-eastern tribes, where you can marry off your children to your friends, and only people with more guns can stop you.

            I guess we disagree on a fundamental level. Although i can relate to frustrations over bad judicial decissions and poor lawmaking, i’m still grateful to live in a society where safety of children is a legal concern.

          • Richard Chiu

            See, the classic delusion of those who appeal to the State is that they think that somehow this isn’t just the most extreme case of those with more guns being allowed to act with impunity.

            In a society where nobody is exempted from retributive justice, you do have more psychopaths and sociopaths getting killed for their crimes…but you have fewer psychopaths and sociopaths getting away with it over time.

          • Nick

            I don’t know about that R. Chiu. I agree that the U.S. is over-regulated. But if you look around the world, and through time, all societies with more laws have also had more safety and security. And lawless societies of any time peroid are inately dangerous and unfair. Like the American old west, running rampant with gangs like the Cowboys, until the lawful areas expanded and brought order with them.

            I can respect anyone’s frustration with our system. But why do you think anarchy would create a Utopia, and not a dystopian “Mad Max” world instead?

          • Richard Chiu

            Correlation is not causation.

            When you have few laws, but they are universally understood and widely obeyed because most people in society are willing to enforce their own claims under the law, you have real freedom, which allows people to choose a measure of security and prosperity in their lives.

            When society becomes significantly more secure and prosperous, social parasites like lawyers, politicians, and eventually bureaucrats and cops are drawn by the wealth. These parasites multiply ‘regulations’ and eventually consume all the wealth and destabilize all the security in society to the point where it collapses, and you have a complete breakdown of all natural order.

            But the experiment has been tried of taking an impoverished society and simply imposing a bunch of regulations and enforcement organizations on it. It immediately makes everything MUCH worse. One of the main complaints against religions generally and Islam particularly is that few irreligious tyrannies bother with taking over and ruining societies that don’t have any significant prosperity to plunder. Of course, there are also quite a few cases during the Cold War (some ongoing) in which Marxism was imposed in places where there was almost nothing to steal in the first place.

            Having a general ordering of society based on commonly understood standards of ‘rights’ (including property ownership) and generally dispersed will and power to defend them does produce prosperity and security. But any increase in the ‘laws’ beyond what is or can be commonly understood, and the rise of centralized enforcement which displaces and diminishes the distributed capacity for self-defense, will set any society on the path to collapse.

            As Americans are about to discover.

          • Lily Gonzalez

            More laws equate to more safety? OMFG! More laws equate to more tyranny, less freedom, worse economy.

          • Nick

            They absolutely can, you aren’t wrong. Not necessarily right though, like financial regulations assisting the economy, or laws to remove oppressive regimes.

          • Lily Gonzalez

            Safey of children is a “legal” concern. What about a society in which the safety of children is a MORAL concern? There is nothing moral in laws. As for the bullshit about going to live in other countries cause we have it so fucking great in the USSA, that’s like saying, “We got it good here with MASSA. Massa good to us.” ~The Jedi.

          • Nick

            The purpose of laws are to address moral concerns. Like murder, and endangering children. Removing those laws won’t make us safer.

          • That is asinine beyond words. Laws do not make us safer, they give the ruling class control and domination over us. Take the red pill.

          • ” You’d prefer a more anarchistic society, where the strong have control” unlike now where the weak have all the power.

          • takeanumber

            Yes they should have intervened, then maybe Jody would have had a better life and would not be where she is now. Clearly, Richard Chiu, is not an advocate for children whatsoever and probably does not even have kids. Mr. Chiu does not think that children have a right to be protected from their abusive caretakers. Why even entertain the views of someone like this.

          • Karen Glammeyer Medcoff

            you must be one sad person to upvote your own posts. that is quite truly, pathetic

          • Nick

            Heh, i actually went back and upped all my replies to R. Chiu because it was bothering him too.

            Personally I find shooting a social worker in the back as she leaves work pretty pathetic, but i know we all have different opinions on what is worth our time.

          • Lily Gonzalez

            I find shooting oppressors as heroic.

          • Nick

            Me too, too bad Jody Herring didn’t take out some oppressors. Instead she killed three of her family and a social worker, leaving Lara Sobel’s children without a mother.

          • Dan Warren

            She has NO violent crimes, only 11 misdemeanors……thats a lot, but she doesn’t seem incorrigible, from her criminal record. I don’t think she even did any jail time.

          • Nick

            I was counting domestic assault as a violent crime.

            Thank you very much for actually looking into it and not just ranting about how everything the government does is wrong. I appreciate it, and it really sets you apart from the other comments on this page.

          • takeanumber

            Finally, someone posting something on this thread that makes sense. Thank you. Don’t get the back woods hillbilly’s get to you.

          • Joshua Perry

            She killed her child’s kidnapers
            That’s what she did
            They can try to justify the kidnapping but for this mother justice has been served
            And we need more of it before this agency is stopped

      • Fredsta

        You obviously have never been accosted by CPS. The lies they tell, the harm they do, the rights they violate, and the smug collusion they engage in, is enough to drive any upstanding citizen insane. Take an already imbalanced person, and voila, there’s blood on the floor.

        I’m absolutely amazed that this does not happen more often!

        • Joshua Perry

          I hope it will happen more often

      • Rothbardian Slip

        She had a history of drug use, not violent crime. She had a record composed entirely of misdemeanors. She didn’t get violent until people attacked her children. Sometimes when people mess with other people’s children, they get dead. These things happen.

      • Joshua Perry

        She executed kidnappers

    • Pat

      Maybe because they thought she was a sociopath and could react violently towards them. She kind of proved that to be the case, didn’t she?

      • Karen Glammeyer Medcoff

        you WOULDN’T if someone stole your child?

        • Pat

          No one stole her child. What is wrong with you people? Are you all lousy parents who had their kids removed because you abused or neglected them? She was a drug addict, a drunk and a criminal. She had six kids and everyone was raised, for a time, by others because she was in prison or unfit because of her drug and alcohol use.

          • Karen Glammeyer Medcoff

            she was in PRISON? please, tell me how you go to PRISON on a misdemeanor charge? also where are you getting your information from? As for ASSuming that we lost children for being bad parents. think again, because you know NOTHING of how the system works at all.

          • Pat

            Ten misdemeanor convictions. Probation violations. I have worked in the criminal courts for 25 years. You are the woefully ignorant clown here.

          • takeanumber

            NO, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT PROTECTING CHILDREN. AND YOU DID HAVE YOUR KIDS REMOVED KAREN. ADMITT IT. Tell us all about what a great parent you WERE and how the state kidnapped your offspring wrongly. YOU could care less what is best for the kids being abused. All you care about is bashing a government agency who you think did you an injustice. Do you even work for a living? I wonder what your occupation is? LOL

          • Karen Glammeyer Medcoff

            keep your head in the sand. people are speaking out all over. One day you will understand. maybe. and on that day may you think back to the words being spoken by anti cps activists. be on the RIGHT side of history instead of the wrong one.

          • takeanumber

            Please enlighten us ALL as to how much YOU actually KNOW abou the corruption of CPS. I am interested. Because who on this earth would have the ability and power to protect this most vulnerable population if NOT for CPS? Surely not you, who may be a good mother, and is very ignorant as to the horrors of abusive parents out there. I suppose you only want to see the negative side of a government intervening to protect children as you truly know very little about what you are advocating for. You don’t care about all the fragile lives CPS saves for a shitty paycheck and dealings with drug induced “parents”. NEWSFLASH: CHILDREN HAVE RIGHTS TOO. They have the right to be protected and not have to live with abuse.

          • Karen Glammeyer Medcoff

            that’s exactly right, they DO have the right to be protected. and CPS IS FAILING MISERABLY since children became nothing but a paycheck for the state. I have SEEN it and DEALT with it myself. I am an advocate for many others. I know the system and the abuses of the system. I have had to call the POLICE when social serviced REFUSED to remove children from homes where they were being ABUSED. The police then set sanctions/penalties on social services for NOT DOING THEIR JOBS> Until you have seen the corruption for yourself, continue to hide your head in the sand. A child is MORE likely to be abused/murdered/raped/lost in social services care, than with their own families.

          • takeanumber

            Oh wait a minute, you WANT CPS TO REMOVE KIDS OR YOU DONT? Which is it? And if you are as much the vigilante as you want people on this board to think you are, then WHY DIDNT YOU PROTECT THOSE ABUSED KIDS? Hey why not pull a Herring on the parents abusing their kids? I mean instead of CALLING THE COPS??! Really? All you told is in your post is that CPS DIDNT REMOVE KIDS WHEN YOU WANTED THEM TO. Now in the topic at hand you moan bc CPS did remove a kid? AGAIN, I don’t believe you have the education or FACTS TO BASE YOUR JUDGEMENT. What do YOU DO FOR A LIVING? Bc CPS workers make squat. Shows how much you know.

          • Karen Glammeyer Medcoff

            you have a bit of reading comprehension don’t you? CPS NEEDS TO DO THEIR JOBS, but they DON’T they remove children that DON’T need to be removed, and LEAVE the ones that DO. And also Title IV-e through social security that the clintons signed in. read it and weep. they made CHILDREN a COMMODITY. Also I DID protect those children from abuse for 2 WEEKS while I was struggling to support MY OWN at the same time with No help. how many kids have YOU taken in without help? Me? 7.

          • Karen Glammeyer Medcoff

            also, if you want to ask my kids what kind of mother i am, they are all on facebook Marcus, Nathan, Sara, Heather, Beau, Dala

          • takeanumber

            Don’t even bother to make sense to these people. It is a waste of time. Of course they have had their children removed from them OR don’t even have kids. You can see that no one except a few are advocating for the children who are abused and neglected by narcissistic parents. This is an anti-government blog so clearly you won’t have anyone looking at the good that is done in intervening to protect the worlds most vulnerable victims, the children.

      • Lily Gonzalez

        She also proved that a person can rise up. I hope the killing sent a chill through those sociopaths running CPS.

        • Pat

          The only sociopaths are those praising a cold blooded murder. Sociopaths and likely dangerous to kids themselves. What sick, twisted mind refers to those who protect children from predatory parents sociopaths?

          • What sick twisted minds support and praise parasitic institutions and their workers who remove children from homes to put them into rape chambers?

          • Pat

            Take your med. your delusions are back.

          • Take the red pill.

          • Pat

            I have no need to take pills. Unlike you, I do not suffer from severe, mental illness; you know, the kind of mental illness that would cause me to cheer the cowardly, cold blooded murders of the three relatives of a woman never fit to be a mother or the dedicated public servant and mother of two who had the courage to put her life at risk to save innocent children from parents like you; mentally unstable parents who live to victimize their children violently, sexually or in other ways.

          • Pat

            Right. Here is your mother of the year, according to her grown daughter:
            About a year ago, she claims, her mother began acting differently.

            “She would assault me and just do crazy, crazy things,” said Desiree Herring. “I used to be very close with my mother and my mother was my everything.”

            Desiree Herring said the family has a history with the Department for Children and Families. Desiree Herring and her sister were both taken away from Jody Herring when they were children. Desiree Herring said she was taken out of her mother’s custody at around the age of five or six. Jody Herring was allegedly upset about losing custody of her 9-year-old daughter on July 10, according to Barre City Police Chief Tim Bombardier.

            Desiree Herring has also had a son taken away by DCF, further angering her mother, she said.

            2003, Jody Herring was arrested after 42 bags of heroin were recovered from her body. She was driving a vehicle on Interstate 91 north in Hartland, when she was stopped for an undisclosed violation.

            During the stop, heroin and other paraphernalia were found in the car. The additional heroin was recovered from her by Gifford Medical staff in Randolph. She pled guilty in 2005 to the offense, and was sentenced to serve six to 12 months, all suspended. In January of 2005 she was booked for violating her probation, and was not released until February 2006.

        • takeanumber

          I am sorry your own children were taken from you. I am sure you were a wonderful mother.

          • My children were never taken away from me. If they had been, the fate of the kidnappers would have been far worse!

          • takeanumber

            Sure. And you are advocating that children should not be protected from abuse. Nice going “mom”. I wonder how many times you were reported to CPS that left such a distaste in your mouth. Clearly you had CPS INVOLVEMENT OF YOUR OWN. And just like every prisoner on death row is innocent, there are no abusive parents. You talk so much BS because you want abused children not to have any rights or protection. What would you suggest could be a better option to keep children SAFE from abuse? You tell US. Please.

          • Never was reported cause my kids were fine. If CPS is so awesome and caring, where are the masses of grown children that praise their services?

    • Karen Glammeyer Medcoff

      they have to have time to come up with a plausible lie to tell the public to quell the outcry.

  • sovreigncitizen

    I love extra-judicial justice, it is the only way to deal with out of control “public servants.” Too bad she did not “fire” the judge too.

    • Nick

      Right? Terminating an unfit mother’s parental rights is way out of line. I mean, it’s not like she’s a murderer. Oh wait, she killed 4 people…

  • marlene

    Good riddance Sobel and the rest of your ilk should follow suit.

    • Humpasaur Jones

      Right? Anyone who disagrees with us should be dead! Not today, yesterday! It’s the only moral solution.

      • marlene

        The horrors she inflicted on children earned her her place in hell. “Anyone who harms these little children will wish they were never born” – a quote from the Wisest Man who ever lived. So don’t talk to me about morals when you pick and choose what they are. Bleeding hearts equal bleeding brains.

  • Melisa Fowler

    Its not kidnapping, idiots. First of all, she killed members of her OWN family before killing the dcf worker, because they were taddling on her. What kind of person is in that state of mind to kill someone that is doing their job protecting a child?! Clearly that poor girl needed protection! Now the mother will never see her! Barre has a history of addicted parents, mostly mothers who enjoy being selfish and getting high and drunk vs taking care of their own kid, and then they decide they can’t afford a place and car and have no job so they say “oh well the state can help with everything I don’t need a job!” The only people that should need long term welfare are the elderly or disabled that are incapable of working, or because some jobs really do discriminate against them. People need to stop having kids that are incapable of raising them.

    • Matthew Reece

      See Chris’ article “When Should You Hire A Hitman?”

    • A J Sharp

      How is it not kidnapping? Someone took her child from her by force. That’s kidnapping. And she killed her family members, not because they were “tattling” on her, but because they were enlisting armed thugs who took her child from her. The people working for the state have no more right to do these things than you or I do, and she had the same right to protect her child from these thugs as from any other thugs. It is not enough to say they were “doing their job,” as no one can legitimately have such a job. By that logic, the Nazi guards were just “doing their jobs.”

      And the fact that “Barre has a history” of bad parents does not mean that this woman was a bad parent. You don’t know anything about Jody Herring or her ability to raise her child (or at least you don’t share anything if you do know). All we know is that her child was kidnapped and she killed the people responsible for that kidnapping. Kudos to her. If more people stood up to these government thugs, I’ll bet we’d see a lot less violent interference in people’s lives.

      • Melisa Fowler

        There is no justification to killing a worker, or anybody for that matter. Ever heard of “violence is not the solution”? Clearly she didn’t want her kid anymore, because CLEARLY she decided to shoot a woman in broad daylight around other people, businesses, and surveillance cameras. What kind of mother wants to fight for her child and then do such a selfish thing, huh?! I am a mother and would NEVER do this to protect my child. Some people are just not cut out to be parents, sorry not sorry!

        • A J Sharp

          Agreed on your last point, completely.

          Yes, I’ve heard “violence is not the solution.” It’s not true. When you’re dealing with evil and violent people, violence is often the solution. If you could get in a room with Hitler in 1940, would you try to talk reason with him, or just kill him? If the former, you are part of the problem.

          • Melisa Fowler

            Obviously I would kill the guy, he killed thousands of innocent people to “cleanse” the world just like the group of Serbs did to my country! But we’re talking about one human being here that did a lot of unnecessary damage because she’s a little koo koo in the brain and thinks one woman is out to get her, when it’s the courts that decide what happens, where someone goes, and thinks about what’s best for the CHILD. I don’t know the reason behind the child being taken away from her mother, probably will never know unless it ends up in the media, but it was probably a damn good one.

          • A J Sharp

            If I wrote, “I don’t know what reason the Serbs had for doing what they did in your country, but it was a probably a damned good one,” it would strike you the same way your last sentence strikes me, and for the same reason.

          • Nancy

            Actually, Hitler didn’t ‘kill’ anyone, he just ordered it, brainwashed the people into fear and looking the other way. The people who ‘follow orders’ are the ones who do the violence for a leader, in which in this case, this case worker took her child, and from what I read, she had just lost custody, and had snapped, but was heard saying to the ‘social worker that they were expoiting her and her kids ‘naked’ photos. Now, something just isn’t right about this whole thing. Just read she killed her family too…this appears to be a lot more going on than what we are privy too, there is gossip and there is fact, so perhaps we can wait and see what the facts are here, and how someone can be pushed to the limit, so am not surprised, but actually am because it doesn’t happen more often. This problem is all over the country, and the world. In the UK, they put parents in prison who speak out about the atrocities, and or deport them after they steal and adopt out their kids. In this country, after the passing of the Clinton bill Safe children and foster kids act of 1997 where they get subsidies and bonuses for adopting out foster kids, which if one goes and looks at the numbers, the kids taken and put in foster care, went up more than double shortly after that. They broaden the term of neglect, and use it for removing kids for reasons like ants in house, glasses not fitting properly, crayons on the floor, dirty dishes in sink, grandma sleeping in kids room, fostering kittens, and some really ridiculous reasons, when it is suppose to be imminent danger only…so yes, not surprised by this happening, after all, when they remove them while the parents thought, hey, I am a good parent, I have nothing to hide, they walk in and ‘find some reason’ whether they are in danger or not, and then if the parent gets upset, they are considered ‘anger issues’ and have to pay for anger management classes…but see, parents can’t get upset about it…and then hell begins, hearings and case plans and lies and all the while, supposedly protecting the kids from loving parents, then they are 10 times more likely to be abused in foster care or group homes…it’s insane, it’s broken….it needs to be either abolished or destructured. If a crime has actually been committed then there should be a real investigation by real investigators, and not by heresay, or a preponderance of the evidence….in a real court where evidence is submitted and due process.

          • paendragon

            Perfectly put, thanks!

          • paendragon

            What country are you from? I don’t recall the Serbs ever invading anyone else’s country.

          • Melisa Fowler

            Bosnia

          • paendragon

            So then, are you a muslim?

          • Christopher Cantwell

            If you think governments are in the habit of doing things in the best interests of children, I’d encourage you to take a look at this little thing they call the national debt.

          • Richard Chiu

            Boo.

            Yah.

        • paendragon

          Re: “There is no justification to killing a worker, or anybody for that matter. Ever heard of “violence is not the solution”?”

          So, if someone was shooting at your children, and had them pinned down, and you had access to a gun, you would refuse to use it to save your own children from being gunned down?

          I’m pretty sure that attitude makes you a BAD PARENT.

          • Melisa Fowler

            It’s called self defense in this case so yes I would use a gun myself. Perhaps I should of worded as ” there is no justification for killing anybody unless they’re threatening or gunning down your family or your child”. Lara didn’t threaten anybody, didn’t gun down her child, didn’t pin her down. So why are you going off topic? I’m not here to argue, just trying to piece together why anyone in their right mind wants to defend this worthless human?

          • paendragon

            Moron, I’m not going off-topic, you were: I was questioning your generalized statements, and I even copied and pasted them and added “Re:” (“referring to”) for clarity.

            You made a pretty direct statement about how “There is no justification for killing anybody,” and added “Ever hear of “violence is not the solution”?”

            You were clearly asserting that violence is NEVER justified, even in defense of one’s self &/or innocent others.

            Now, even though your statement remains posted above for everyone here to see, you are claiming you should have modified it with a qualifying statement, WHILE also accusing me of misinterpreting it, so yes, it’s pretty clear you ARE really only “here to argue.”

            And it doesn’t take any investigative work to try to “piece together why anyone in their right mind wants to defend this worthless human?” since Christopher Cantwell’s entire article here already quite adequately deals with that.

          • Melisa Fowler

            Im not going off topic, I’m answering your questions and trying not to argue. I didn’t say it needs investigative work to figure it out. The reasons are she’s a nut case, who didn’t need to kill her own family members and then a social worker. If her child is not in danger of being killed herself, why risk everything and killing other people? Lara was not holding her kid hostage.

          • paendragon

            You are clearly a delusive liar who can’t admit being wrong.

      • James Baer

        You’re fucking dumb AJ

        • A J Sharp

          I know, posting logical arguments on a forum dedicated to nonsense and personal attacks. I’m fucking retarded. LOL

          • James Baer

            Thinking DCF should let a kid stay with a mother that is willing to kill her own family is retarded. End of story. You retard

          • A J Sharp

            How about thinking DCF should mind its own business? If they could have done that, none of this would have happened. Nice fallacious post facto reasoning there, by the way. If only I could get an IQ below room temperature, I could do stuff like that.

          • James Baer

            Call me Terrance Rollins. T.Roll for short.

          • Cal

            right, instead, you could be reading about a vermont mother that killed her child.

          • A J Sharp

            Yes, I guess that’s the next logical step. She’s willing to kill to protect her child, so killing that child follows. Oh, wait, Is there any evidence that she would have killed her child? No, no there is not. This “logic” is James-Baer-worthy.

          • Cal

            she was not protecting her child. she was killing because she felt like it and that’s the truth. how is killing going to protect her child, who is already in the hands of the state? instead of fighting for her child by making a safe environment for her to live in, she goes and kills four people.

            that’s not what parents do to protect children. she did this because she wanted to do it. you see it as protecting her child, but in her mind, the child was property and someone took that away from her.

            she didn’t do it for the kid, don’t you see that, man?

    • Maggie

      How do you know they tattled on her. Did they tell you it was them who done it! First of all, learn how to spell prior to your shoveling it. If you actually knew the family, you would know that Rhonda herself had her child taken away from her. Do you think she is going to tattle on the person she allowed to live in her home with her; the same person who took care of Julie when Rhonda and Regina were at the hospital with their Dad when he was sick and dying. Do you really think that is going to happen. Check the facts before you spew bs.

      • Melisa Fowler

        Alright smartie pants, read all the news articles regarding one of the women’s daughters who told everyone what the killer told them BEFORE she went on a killing rampage.

    • Don Duncan

      Not kidnapping? Why? Because the govt. did it? Are you the one who told Nixon that “It’s not illegal if the President does it?”

      You probably think no one was protected before govt. was invented. The opposite is true. Now no one is safe.

      You share the mentality of the German citizens in the thirties. They felt so superior, so protected by their strong military and domestic law enforcement officers. You probably think this empire (USSA) is so superior, and so protective that we should all get down on our knees, on wait!, the mass of US citizens are already on their knees. Got knee pads?

      • Melisa Fowler

        Definition of kidnapping; take (someone) away illegally by force, typically to obtain a ransom.

        Swallow that whole

        • Don Duncan

          The key word is “legal”. The govt. has made it legal for the President to seize and hold anyone indefinitely, torture, and kill. This is now officially “due process”. You are correct in that the courts cannot call it kidnapping, torture, or murder because the govt. gave itself the power to do it, i.e., made it legal for President Obama, as he requested when his people wrote the legislation.The same power as any tyrant enjoys.

          Definitions can be changed to suit your masters, if you are willing to “swallow” them. Or you can think for yourself. Think about it, or parrot the official line, your choice.

    • Lisa Johnson

      Amen….finally someone I 100% agree with…..way too many junkies living long term off the system while single moms or dads who have to work full time to support their family are denied any type of assistance because we make too much money…..so according to welfare…if your a low life junkie never work a day in your life…..it’s ok for those of us who work full time to support our families to be denied assistance and yet support the scumbags living their entire life off welfare

  • Robert Donald Bates

    Nobody knows if she was a good mother or bad. At least she set a good example in the end.

    • Jon

      She was a murderer, and a person who had multiple run-ins with DCF (parental rights terminated). I guess that you feel that just because you can bare crotch fruit, you deserve to keep it, regardless of how unfit you are? The state is not the criminal here, Jody Herring is.

      • Maggie

        As a child, the State of Vermont as well as Jody Herring’s family, let her down. No one was there for her or her siblings. She was abused as a little girl, tiny person by what seems to be a giant when you are less than 40 lbs and the man is well over 160, 170, 200 lbs. It would be difficult for a man to understand how a tiny little blonde 30 lbs person would feel to have someone the size of a giant on top of them, hurting them, while her family lets it happen. There is no one if you don’t have a family member, a State of Vermont person, anyone to help you, protect you. How long could you keep your cool when everyone you know and are supposed to be able to count on, trust are your abusers. Tell me that.

        • Jon

          If that is the case, that makes it all the more tragic. That is still no justification for what she did.

        • Nick

          If that’s true, then we need more DCF and social services involvement, not less.

          None of this justifies murder.

          • Val Williams

            No, the state needs FBI and audits.

        • Val Williams

          Vermont is riddled with old money and old families …..all ingratiated and tangled within varying agencies and organizations. Small state, even smaller cities. There really isn’t anyone too turn too for those considered ‘outside’ the clicks.

      • Jennifer Verwey

        Agree

      • John Sabotta

        Anybody who uses the term “crotchfruit” to refer to children is scum.

        • Jon

          Maybe if they were treated as children, and just not the side effect of a relationship, there would not be this issue. She has had multiple children removed over the past 20 years. She was unable to change her ways, so they really were not her main concern.

      • Val Williams

        Really? ‘crotchfruit’? I hope you are NOT a social worker protecting ‘crotch fruit’.

  • Jamie R. Engelhard

    I definitely wasn’t left with that great of an impression with past interactions with the Vermont Department for Children and Families. As a result, I personally can’t say that I’m a big fan of the local office. Nonetheless, with wherever your opinion sways, I highly doubt in any way that actions involving a shotgun or lives being taken unnecessarily are ever justifiable! ~Just Saying

    • paendragon

      So it’s immoral to use force to resist having your child kidnapped? Is that only in the case of an “official” state kidnapping (for which they need no evidence)? Would force be justifiable if, say, a Mafiosi or pimp was doing it?

      • Dee54

        Now she will never see her child unless it is behind bars or in a mental ward. Is that what good parents want?

        • paendragon

          Apparently they left her no choice – never allowing see her kids again was their entire position anyway! Their “offer” was a one-sided, non-contract; at least they’ve paid for it.

          • Jamie R. Engelhard

            Apparently you have way too much time on your hands JackAss!

          • paendragon

            Spoken like a true liberal (libel). But hey, the falsely sundered “criminal” and “civil” laws both agree: “One must pay for what one takes!”

          • Lily Gonzalez

            And you have just as much time as the “jackass” you criticize – and you argue with that “jackass,” which makes you a bigger Jackass.

          • Nick

            Not true, she had many choices. But you’ll never hear exactly how bad she was, all she did to endanger her children, or what options the state gave her, because the DCF respects confidentiality laws.

          • paendragon

            And yet they obviously don’t respect any REAL laws – you know, those pesky ones requiring evidence, arrest warrants, trials, due process, courts of law, judges – all those silly sorts of things!

            In stead, they seem happy to get right to the sentencing part, without all those silly Constitutional rights getting in their way!

          • Lily Gonzalez

            The DFC doesn’t respect jack shit. They use confidentiality laws to hide behind their heinous acts.

          • Nick

            Confidentially protects their clients like Jody. The pertinent information comes out in the courtroom. You would be very upset if DCF were releasing what they uncovered in investigations, especially considering you already think they’re lying.

          • takeanumber

            No offense but you do not sound educated at all and my guess is that you are unemployed and collect welfare. Hey, looks like the government is useful for you in that regard, yes? SMH.

          • Jon

            Here is the affidavit, including what is on her official rap sheet. She had addiction problems, was a thief, and assaulted several people. And again, some people think her actions were justifiable?

          • paendragon

            That’s nice – arrest records merely show someone complained about one, and the cops were called. They remain in the State’s “system” even after trials and full acquittals.

          • Jon

            Those show all her convictions, not just her arrests. Constant non-compliance with terms of release. She lost her first two children to the system. Funny, when presented with actual documentation, you choose to either, not read it, not believe it, or dismiss it. AT this point, you might as well be classified as a troll, your opinion has no value.

          • paendragon

            WHAT “actual documentation”?! You typed “here is the affidavit” without providing even the hint of a link to any!

            And besides, “affidavits” aren’t proof of anything – they are only statements of opinion.

        • Val Williams

          She will have more visitation with her child as a criminal than most parents have while children are in state care. Sad, and true.

      • Nick

        This wasn’t a kidnapping, she was dangerous and endangering her children, so the DCF made a move for the safety of the child.

        And she didn’t “resist kidnapping”. This was revenge. Over a month later she murdered 3 family members for reporting her, then waited outside the DCF office to shoot a case worker in the back as she left.

        • paendragon

          Resisting crime and counter-attacking in defense of the self and/or of innocent others don’t have to instantly occur only according to the criminal’s chosen time-tables and whims.

          It’s still perfectly valid, moral, and just, to track down a kidnapper or any other kind of criminal and execute them in their lairs later.

          • Kim

            Funny that she decided on retribution as soon as she found out she’d no longer receive state assistance. Can’t keep welfare without a kid to claim.

          • paendragon

            Prove it.

      • Pat

        The child was with other family members. She was not kidnapped. And she was not resisting a kidnapping, she was murdering those who acted to protect her child from her obviously murderous personality. Had she killed her child, you would be here complaining about how the system screwed up by not protecting the kids.

        • takeanumber

          EXACTLY!!!

    • Pamela June Petersen-Bombardie

      That is the point exactly! The only difference between what Jody did and what CPS does many times everyday all across this country, is she chose to use a gun and make it quick. CPS destroys lives slowly and torturously. They bleed you slow over lifetimes. Make no mistake CPS destroys/takes lives just as sure as Jody did. Jody, just chose a more humane way to go about it.

      • kaspa84

        And she did take the lives of criminals, after all.

      • takeanumber

        If this comment of yours were true, then their would be a lot of DEAD PARENTS if CPS workers carried a firearm. Do you agree that abusive parents should be shot and killd> Hey, now THAT is something to think about. Afterall, since CPS “wronged” you in the past and you know SOOOOO much about that agency, it speaks to your bias on this topic.

        • Pamela June PetersenBombardier

          Your comment to me reads as very adversarial. Apparently my comment offended you so deeply that you feel an appropriate response is sarcasm,
          As to your question, in a make believe world, where I have sole authority to decide the punishment for people who intentionally and with malice, harm children, the most horrific of all the horrific crimes that mankind can commit against all that is righteous and good, those very few individuals, should and would receive a death sentence and depending how they defiled their innocent victim, a gun shot would be too easy. I would want them to suffer as much or more fear, pain, and horror as their victim, before their departure.
          As for your sarcasm related to my experience with CPS, I cant be sure what to make of it? If your intent is to insult me, implying through sarcasm that my family was not wronged nor do I have extensive knowledge of CPS and the entire dog and pony show associated with it, the

    • kaspa84

      People like you are far worse scumbags than likes of Stalin and Mao.

  • James Baer

    You folks are a bunch of pig headed extremists. That’s all that needed to be said

  • paendragon

    Good article, Chris. Re: “The criminal justice system … is an atrocity in and of itself, with countless people being robbed, extorted, kidnapped, imprisoned, and murdered, either for victimless offenses, or even for not having broken any law at all. It happens every single day, and that’s while remnants of certain legal protections remain, like the right to an attorney, the 5th amendment right against self incrimination, search and seizure limitations, cruel and unusual punishment, and other protections offered by the constitution. As diminished as those have become over the years, remnants remain.”

    WELL, NOT IN THE CASE OF THE MOST EGREGIOUS CASES, THE BLATANT THEFT CALLED “CIVIL FORFEITURE.” In those cases, the legislators and “judges” completely abdicate their own oaths and offices, essentially asserting that NO COURTS of law, NO judges, NO lawyers, NO Fourth Amendment, No “trials,” NO “arrests,” and NO EVIDENCE whatsoever, are any longer necessary for “The State” to steal your stuff. Under such crimes presented “under color of law,” peons – I mean, “Citizens” – no longer have ANY PROPERTY RIGHTS or rights of self-defense at all!

    • Humpasaur Jones

      Your caps lock game is on point, brother!

      • paendragon

        Thanks; CAPSLOCKOLYPSE NOW!

        😉

    • Val Williams

      seizing children, our most precious resource.

  • paendragon

    Can anyone here answer this question? If there’s an “altercation” where one person claims the other assaulted them, and the other claims the opposite, and a prosecutor chooses to prosecute the one over the other, and they then have a trial, during which it comes out that the prosecutor chose the wrong side, and all the evidence points to the other person being the attacker, and the accused having only defended themself:

    Can the judge convict and sentence the guilty one, even though the case is labeled “The State Vs (The Other Guy),” (seeing as all the false self-defense/not-guilty claims of the claimant were disproven in a court of law by evidence, and the defense of the defendant was proven accurate) or will they ‘have to’ leave it up to the same negligent prosecution services to: a) cover their asses and pretend nothing happened at all, or: b) waste everyone’s time and money (while court staff gets paid twice) by holding a new trial, all over again?! Anyone know the answer to this puzzler?

    • Dennis Wilson

      There would have to be a new trial with charges against the bad guy. The judge (if honest) would dismiss charges in the ongoing trial and (likely) order the bad guy arrested and held, pending the new trial.

      • paendragon

        Thanks; thought so. Totally wasteful and dishonest of them, isn’t it?

  • Kim

    Two children died at the hands of their parents, the ones who are supposed to take care of them, when DCF dropped the ball and put them back in their homes in recent years. My father was neglected as an infant and weighed 12 lbs at the age of one when he was taken from his biological mother in the 50s. I have a coworker whose cousin was adopted by her aunt because the birth mother fed him almost nothing but kool-aid for the first three months of his life. Who do you suggest looks out for these children?

    • Don Duncan

      Who protects anyone? Maybe friends, family, or a concerned person. Who protected people before the Empire took over charity, and every other facet of life? Private groups. And they did it without coercion.

      Now we have the Empire. And no one is protected.

    • Dennis Wilson

      I agree with Don Duncan. You seem to think that children are “somehow” safe when in the care of a government that is shooting, chocking and beating its own unarmed citizens to death at an alarming rate; using tax money to abort babies; and bombing men, women and children in countries that have NOT attacked us and without a Constitutional declaration of war.

      Government is not the answer, it is the problem!

      • Dennis Wilson

        More news on how much government REALLY CARES for children:

        ABC 7 news in Los Angeles reports that four police officers have been arrested on suspicion of physically abusing at least 13 children. The abuse occurred at a police “boot camp” for at-risk youths, with the officers serving as “drill instructors.”

        libertyupward (dot) com/four-police-officers-arrested-for-abusing-children-during-leadership-boot-camp/

        Government is not the answer, it is the problem!

      • Coralyn Herenschrict

        Don’t forget about the systematic indoctrination into submission to its authority, corporal disciplining into unquestioning obedience, encouragement of embrace of government violence as above morality, stripping away of individualism, and forced medication away of personality traits the state finds undesirable. The prospect of such a soulless, malevolent, bureaucratic institution overseeing the raising of a child could only compare to the harshest of natural parental abuses.

  • Maggie

    I believe these three women were let down not only by the State of Vermont, but by their families as well. All three of these young ladies were molested and raped as children. No one, not their families, not the State of Vermont, no one heard their cries as children, as little girls. Where was the State of Vermont when Jody needed help as a three year old child, a four year old child, and on and on and on. Where was the State of Vermont when her sisters and brother were being abused, being molested, being raped. This is the sad reality of it. This is what can and does happen when a child goes unnoticed by their family, by the State of Vermont, by every adult who knows what is going on and does absolutely nothing. For that matter, how come no one at their school did anything. I know they knew. I know they did nothing. Where were you all then when these children needed you. Stop talking bs. We should be trying to figure out how come no one, none of us did anything to help any of these women when they needed us.

    • Lisa Johnson

      Her and her cousins sisters and brother being abused still does NOT justify killing others…I know a lot of people who were abused horrifically….that remained in harm’s way…that didn’t turn out to believe the way to solve problems was by harming and or killing otherz

  • Maggie

    Curious where that picture of Jody came from. That is not what Jody looks like. It is her, but that is not what she looks like. She is a beautiful young woman who has been abused by everyone her whole life. She had her father taken away from her at a young age, I believe she was three years old at the time her mother, her mom’s brothers and her mom’s boyfriend Ken took her father’s life. The State of Vermont decided they would not prosecute his killers allowing them to raise Jody and her siblings. This is how Jody had to live her life. She lived it with the person who killed her father. The State of Vermont did nothing to protect her then and did nothing to keep her safe. This is how the Jody today came about.

  • Coralyn Herenschrict

    The root problem here is non-state solutions to allegations of child abuse aren’t currently available. The free market machinery to dis-incentivize and respond to child abuse doesn’t exist because it is outlawed by the state which asserts its monopoly over all such matters. Thus the state forces a choice between tolerating alleged parental child mistreatment and tolerating state child mistreatment. This is no choice any rights-respecting person should ever be forced to make. Yet another instance of one of the unbearable dilemmas created by the existence of the state.

  • Snowcrash

    Whether Jody Herring was a monster, or not, is irrelevant. The takeaway
    here is that if you make your living as a kidnapper backed by deadly
    force from the State, you should consider getting an honest job. It looks like Lara Sobel did consider another line of work a few years ago, unfortunately she rejected the idea of it.

    • Nick

      Lara Sobel chose a job where she could help people, and make the world a better place. She dedicated her career to helping children, and for that she paid with her life.

      I am grateful that Jody Herring’s children won’t be raised by a murderer.

      • Pamela June Petersen-Bombardie

        I only wish more evil people who get off on destroying innocent lives paid the same price and not one single more child or family ever has to pay with their lives.

    • Melisa Fowler

      What’s irrelevant is the screenshot of a comment ANY person in a stressful job environment would have made. She was most likely talking about the crazy fools that call themselves “parents”

  • Mr. Common Sense

    You sir are a piece of shit. Where are you from? Do you live in the real world? Do you know why our society is a shambles? This women was in the short version a horrible parent. Do you have any idea how hard it is to lose a 9 year old? If you have a 9 year old child taken away you are messing up pretty bad. It is for the well being of the child. First of all VT has actually been way to lenient to the “so called” parents right to parent. Hence the death of 2 very young children. It appears in your world we let parents be parents and let all the children neglected fend for themselves. Why not lives don’t really matter anyway. The only people that matter now are the LGBT community everyone is all hard up about.

  • Porn Star Dancing

    I think this article is absolutely disgusting in general. Labeling DCF as “kidnappers,” and saying that Jody was “the mother of the year,” for killing 4 people? I understand there are extents for wanting to protect your child, but she obviously was not fit to be a parent if DCF was coming to retrieve her children. And what did it lead up to? Her child being into DCF custody and her most likely being imprisoned on 4 counts of first-degree murder. Imagine how much she hurt her child in the process. Personally knowing both of them and speaking.. I cannot think of the words to describe just how much bullshit this is. Sure, maybe the publicity is great for your website, but think about how many people are mourning over lost family. I hope your website gets shut down quite personally. You’re not a realist. You’re an asshole.

  • Sara Phillips

    This is completely sickening. If you know nothing of the family personally, you are disgustingly wrong in making these statements. The reason her daughter was taken from her was VERY sound. She is a heroine addict who willingly gave up custody of her two older daughters, but all this mayhem when custody of her youngest daughter is taken from her? She is still an addict. She is a genuinely sick individual, and you’re condoning her actions, going so far as to say she deserves a Nobel Peace Prize? You have no clue how much these tragedies have ripped apart the community and how much Jody’s family is sickened and suffering because of her horrible actions. Perhaps ignorance is just your disposition, but for someone who knows many people involved, your words are disheartening and horribly false.

    • Simon

      That’s BS. The children should be taken from the parents only on an abuse criterion. And the taker should be a responsible parent himself, not a “I hate my job but that pays the bills” administration funded by theft !

      • Sara Phillips

        She obviously wasn’t taken from her JUST because she’s an addict… She was showing signs that she was an unfit parent. She always has been. And what makes this think you know the first thing about Lara Sobel’s parenting? Say what you want about DCF, but not about an individual who cannot defend herself because she was killed in cold blood. She can’t be a good parent anymore because her two children had their mother taken from them due to the heinous act of a sick individual.
        It is absurd that you all think it’s ok to make such personal and/or incriminating statements about anyone involved when 1) many of you are not from Vermont and 2) you do not personally know anyone involved.

  • UsedtobeaSuitBoi

    Chris, can you re-instate the previous/ next buttons on your articles?

  • Bart

    So you are pro-child abuse, pro-child neglect and pro-child sexual assault. At least you put it down in writing so the rest of the world knows to stay away from a sociopath like you… thank, at least, for that.
    Even if you were correct in your carefully worded, yet half-wit constructed viewpoint… even a simpleton must admit where there is smoke there is fire. What normally functioning, rational human being capable of safely caring for a child thinks murdering several family members and a state worker is a positive means to an end?
    All that absolutely guarantees is that she will never see her daughter again… well done. And this is the type of person and action you defend? Why don’t you just tattoo “Village Idiot, Bereft of common sense” on your forehead?

    • Simon

      “pro-child abuse, pro-child neglect and pro-child sexual assault”
      Obviously not.
      It is like saying opposing obamacare is opposing medecine, or opposing military is opposing self-defense.

  • Slyanator

    I think the only ignorant person is the one writing this article. If they were a decent human being they would see how incredibly ridiculous they sound and how insensitive to the child they are being. Let’s not forget that there is another human being involved. Read “Peters Lullaby” if you want to see what happens when DCF doesn’t become involved and take the child away. DCF protects children because there families are not competent or loving enough to do so. So are the police kidnapping when they go in to get a women away from her husband because she’s being abused? Children don’t have a choice.

  • Stevie Nichts

    You write “It really couldn’t have been easy to target only the DCF worker that intervened in your family.”

    But earlier, you wrote that “Three of Herring’s relatives were also later found dead with gunshot wounds. …Jody had warned these victims repeatedly ‘You guys need to stop calling DCF unless you guys are going to have it coming to you.’ ”

    So which is it?

  • Jennifer Verwey

    I personally knew Lara I have 5 kids BTW and struggle to be am amazing mother Lara came into my home and was a women that I believe deserved utmost respect now I’m 26 and yes I have things in my past that may haunt me one day but Lara was very helpful and supportive and would have been a person I would have gotten a recommendation from but now can’t because she was undeservingly shot I am almost positive that Lara didn’t make the decision soley by herself and clearly what kind of mother goes around killing people I wonder if when she pulled that trigger she was like oh I don’t care if I ever see my daughter again this is how it’s got to be…. That unstable to say the least so for her to get her 9 year old daughter taken away it must have been pretty awful my social worker from Wisconsin thinks my 9 year old should stay in Wisconsin obviously I’m not going to go shoot him lol because I have a brain and know I’d never see my child again and that is what matter she was so pissed off she didn’t even think how her actions would effect her daughter who know she will not see her Jody herring oops almost said mom that’s a joke I could go on all day

  • Siberia Gippius

    I have zero sympathy for the CPS worker or the industry behind CPS. None. Perhaps in This case, the mother was not only reacting out of defense for daughter, I don’t know enough to judge either way but I do know the entire CPS Goebbels industry needs to end and end now. They have murdered with impunity thousands of kids, destroyed thousands of kids through horrific abuses, complicit and otherwise. As far as I’m concerned, hang them all up on poles, with the rest of the corrupt filth in power today.

    • Pamela June Petersen-Bombardie

      Amen!

  • VTLIVING

    As a person who reunites adoptees with their birthfamily, I often have cases where children are taken away from a parent and an adoption occurs. Many children are separated from their siblings due to the termination of parental rights. It is not only the parental rights that are being terminated but it is the entire family that gets terminated. Even if a parent does wrong, it should not give any state the power to take a child away from an entire family, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins, nephews nieces, grandparents etc. There are often circumstances where the child can not be placed with another family member due to financial reasons or for the protection of that child fro the parents whose rights are terminated, now with that said, it still shouldn’t give the state the power to terminate an entire family network. If I had a sister who had her rights terminated, I would be devastated if I could never see my nephews or niece again due the state terminating rights and placing the child up for adoption. You see the state claims they try to and protect children and to reunify families. When children are placed for adoption and separated from entire families much trauma is done. Now with respect to Jody Herring, I will not place judgment on her or the situation as we do not know all the facts, not why her child was in DCF, not her past history not her emotional history nor her criminal history, to sit in judgment based on what we see in a half page article is ignorant. Was the crime a shame, yes, is it sad that people lost their life, yes……but while everyone is adding their sense in here they are completing forgetting that Jody has 2 other daughters and grandchildren. These people are and will be affected by everything that is written about the person they know more than we do from a one page article. WE have become such a judgmental society that we forget there are victims that are still living and they will be able to access the words we write……

  • WeRMany UR1

    DO ANY OF YOU NUTJOBS WANNA BUILD A SNOWMAN?

  • CEO

    Not only is Cantwell’s article appalling in how it twists a vicious revenge killing into an act of vigilante justice, but the implied malice on the part of DCF and social workers is completely unfounded. As a teacher in rural Vermont, I have had to call DCF on several occasions because kids were in dangerous living situations. Child victims of abuse and/or neglect NEED to have protection from the forces that damage their childhoods, which then negatively affect the rest of their lives. This is why many reports are made: because a child confides in a trusted adult that something is wrong at home and they need help!

    Additionally, I am married to a DCF investigator who finds NO pleasure in taking kids into custody, unlike what some of these anarchists would like you to believe. There is no grand conspiracy to rip children away from their families for some evil purpose. Believe it or not, Lara Sobel, DCF social workers, and family court judges are only aiming to do what is best for the child. Of course taking a child into custody is done after extensive intervention with the parent(s) of the child to give them ample opportunity to prove that they are capable to being a decent parent. If they don’t comply with the agreed upon conditions, they know that the consequences could include losing their parental rights. When a child is taken away, they will usually be placed with a family member who is capable and willing to care for a child that they already have a positive relationship with. Isn’t that better than a child being left with parent who has been PROVEN to be unfit? The public may not ever learn of all the factors involved in deciding a parent is unfit because of confidentiality, but that does not mean that there isn’t sufficient evidence to PROVE that the child is at significant risk.

    Jody Herring has no one to blame for losing custody of her daughter other than herself. Instead of taking responsibility for her child and being a good mother, she decided to scapegoat others for her personal failures and MURDER 4 people. I fear for the future of our country if people will commend a person for gunning down defenseless people who are merely helping innocent children.

    Thankfully there are some who see Cantwell’s article for the vile propaganda that it is (Nick). Anyone who will spin the murder of an INNOCENT person, who has dedicated their life to helping others, into an act of goodwill is clearly befuddled within their own twisted mindset.

  • KMK

    My wife and I fell victim to CPS long ago. Our paranoid neighbors called the cops on us repeatedly for “loud music”,”arguing”,”disorderly behavior” which of course were all bogus. But the police (and CPS) told us that call #3 from the neighbors gave them the right to kidnap our first child, regardless of the allegations or proof or anything. There was no harm being done to my child. I was 21 at the time, young and unprepared, uneducated, and angry that someone could walk all over me like this. Worse, I watched my son get abused at the facility he was at, strange ringlike bruises. busted lip immediately after my visitation with him (while he was in a carseat in the social workers vehical). I tried calling other authorities. No one would help. Instead they put me in jail, accusing me of making threats, put me on 72 hour evaluation at a mental hospital “because they could” (docs were confused why i was there) Let me tell you people, After all this, I nearly snapped on them, like this Jody did. It took my wife and I, 7 months to get him back into our custody, in which we immediately left that state, forever, we learned that if CPS knocks on your door, you DON’T answer it. We learned that in no way will we EVER allow them to interfere in our lives. My story is of the abuse that CPS and their subsidiaries did to my own child. He should have never been taken from us. Sure, CPS has done their fair share of saving children from bad situations and abusive parents, but when and where are they accountable for when they’re just taking kids to meet their quota? Don’t try to tell me they don’t have a quota to fill to keep their funding, I was a victim of it.
    Sure, you may have served and saved people all your life, but if you commit crimes against one, you’re a criminal and must face justice.
    I don’t know Jody’s situation or personality or anything, and maybe she was right or wrong for killing the CPS worker. But I do know that just about every CPS worker has knowingly abducted a child from a family, unfortunate to come within their sights, for the sake of their quota or whatever dumb whims they concoct. And from my experience, I remember wanting them to burn in hell.

  • KMK

    Burn in hell Lara Sobel. And take your damn DCS quota with you.

  • Sandra William

    Very good article. So so many people commented on here about child services. Well let me say this my kids were wrongly stolen from me. The caseworker and the States witnesses were my aunt and grandmother. Both woman which were dead at the time this caseworker claims to have spoke with them both. The gustopo gets even worst. This caseworker was at my house 9 hours before the removal of my kids. When she came to remove my kids she denied ever being at my house to at 9 police officers. Including a state police officer. When my landlord showed and showed the cops the video the worker demanded the officers take the dam child right now. Again for no reason. Simply she told the police I lied but refused to us about what. It was 3 months later we went to a fact finding hearing where the caseworker was presented with the death certificates of these people and she refused to answer. I lost the case cause the judge I quote that I was guilty of abuse and neglect for lying. Again no harm done to my kids. When I announced I would appeal her decision she got hostile along with the state attorney. I want people to I have been accused by this same of doing drugs and having a baby before or even being pregnant. I took several drugs including one in front the judge. I passed. I went to there parenting even though I was appealing my case. Last but not least I went to there counseling. So because they didn’t like what there doctor said and cause I filed a lawsuit again them they decided now this isn’t good enough. A few weeks latterly they announced the ternination of parent right. Most will say this is a lie. But feel to contact me I will explain further.

    What should be said is they took my kids away for so called being mentally ill? Well my mother who posted on facebook twice she going kill my sister and take her was allowed to keep her kids alone that fatal night. Yes she killed my sister and then herself. They waited a entire year to tell us. After finding out and reading the news papers. Dcf and police went there 5 hours before this woman killedbmy sister. Here we have a woman who threatens to kill her kids she keeps them despite her threats. The kids are dead 5 hours later.feel free to contact me. Thanks